My GX7 Why I Sent It Back & Why I Still Want A M43 Camera

The beauty of m43 is that theres something for everyone, simple answer, go for a GH 3 or 4

 

I just acquired a Panasonic G5, and am very disappointed in the quality, compared to the G1, that we have had for several years. The only reason to get the 5 over the 1, is the VF and sensor upgrade. I have heard that the 6 is even less substantial. But, I've never seen one. And yes, the 5's menus and icons are very cryptic, and confusing, as is the GF 5's, that my wife has. Also the flash on the G5 is not nearly as good as the G1. I am very discouraged with the way the Olympus and Panasonic cameras build quality is going. Age, health and money, keep me from jumping ship. But, on the good side, the G5 and 20mm that I just received (late to the 20mm party), make a very nice, light, compact, and usable package for my old legs, hands and eyes. A livable compromise.

 

I love my EM-1, but that would be a substantial cost increase on your GX-7. The Panasonic GH-3 would offer the DSLR form factor and from what I've read it is a high quality bit of kit.

 

GH3/4 sounds like the camera for you.

 

I think the more experience you have with other cameras, the more picky you become in regards to ergonomics and feel. I am perfectly happy with the feel and build of my G5, but I have read many negative comments from others about the build quality. Ironically, I hated the ergos of the entire Rebel line, much preferring the 20D, 30D, and 40D. I also don't care for the E-PM line of cameras from a usability standpoint. I really wanted to like them because of the size, but I just couldn't.

But as has already been said, one of the great things about m4/3 cameras is that there are so many from tiny to just fairly small. Hopefully you can find one that you like.

 

As an APS-C DSLR user (Pentax K5) I bought a GX7 a few weeks ago for lightweight travel. I don't think I have experienced a single one of the frustrations you describe. Getting the right functions ascribed to the various buttons is a veritable nightmare and I haven't really cracked it yet. I find the images definitely noisier than the DSLR with its larger sensor - I knew that was possible in principle, but so many reviewers have said that in practice there's no difference that I am a bit disappointed. But ergonomically it seems rather good.

(I suspect I am shifting the focus area with my nose from time to time - got to get that worked out. I am finding the interface a bit painful, but I'll nail it in the end.)

 

I love my e-m5 and I think I will really like the e-m10. I am not familiar with Panasonic but the omd grip is excellent. I came from d600 and d800.

 

hi, I also bought a gx7 few days ago, and as you say, I'm not so thrilled about. It delivers a very good image, I think it's better than my previous e-pl5, ISO are better I think, and everybody told me panasonic menus are better than olympus'. Everybody exept me, at the moment, I think menus are not better, oly worked very good with me and their sub-menus, but in the gx7 it's all in macro categories, 8 pages where you can find all of a type... and you search for something too much...
Ergonomics, I find the same, buttons aren't easy to catch, I think I was faster with e-pl5. maybe it's only a matter of time I hope, it's good that you can assign buttons as you want. On the LCD, all information seems throwned on without a logic. Coming from a vf3, the vf is good to me, I'm waiting for the eyecup, but it's larger and more defined. And still, I cannot shoot only touching lcd, cannot find how to do it, if possible. We will see tonight, I have to go to a concert, so I'll test deeply how fast can I be with its dials and buttons, and how gx7 performs on bad light, with high iso, and changing af on lcd while watching on vf, that's why I bought it. OK, I still have to read the manul, but let's say, with my gx7 didn't start with the right feeling.. even if it seems a really good camera, well constructed and with a good sensor

 

We're spoiled with camera riches these days. Yet... Pick a camera. Any camera. There will be a list of Likes and Dislikes. There is no perfect camera, nor any model which everyone will choose to have and use.

Personally, I love the GX7 and have no problem with it whatsoever. It checks so many boxes for my requirements. Of course there are a few aspects which one can and may quibble about, but again, that will apply to all camera models. Overall, it does an awesome job, is a great compact size, but still fits in the hand marvelously. I think it is in a sweet spot, size-wise. Sometimes one may need a smaller or larger body for whatever purpose, but generally, the size of the GX7 is perfect for my usual needs.

Whatever camera checks most of your major-need boxes will almost certainly be worthy of one's toleration of some lesser quibbles.

Keep up your quest. And be sure to let us know what camera works better for you. Hopefully you will find something that will please you more. But do expect a list of quibbles of some sort. Nothing's perfect on this earth.

 

I don't think there's a trend, it is just that the original G1 was overbuilt and with its kit lens must have been making a tiny tiny profit in order to get Panasonic's foot in the door.
I totally agree the G5 and G6 don't feel as solid or refined as the G1 (and they grew bigger, crazy!) but I'm also sure there are some who prefer the newer models and their button/dial positioning.
What you said about the menus : I also have a G3 and hate the menus, gimme G1 menus and buttons any day.

 

[1] There is a tendency for DSLR users to buy a rangefinder camera and 'holding their DSLR in hand, gently slip it from one's grasp and slide the RF body in to the sculpted hand shape', and bitterly complain. That's not the right approach: the hand position and wrist position needs to significantly change, and it takes time to become comfortable. I went from 7D to GX7 and felt the change, but put the matter aside. I also gave it a chance: the fact you 'returned it' suggests a too-short trial of less than a month.

[2] The DSLR body shape is the way it is partly because of its ergonomic effectiveness. But so is its size. The two go together for comfort. Try an RF body the size of a 7D and I wager 90% of the complaint will disappear: the whole palm is engaged; room for the thumb; room for well-spaced, well-placed buttons. OTOH the E-M5, being a small DSLR body, has collected its fair share of complaints about ergonomics. To a degree it comes with the territory, if you want the compact size.

 

Yep. I really like my GX7. But the battery door is very poorly designed.

 

It's a funny thing, Arg. I was shooting with my GX7 and some guy asks me to take a picture of him and his little son. He hands me his camera, a Nikon D800. After these past 5 years with mu43, it felt incredibly awkward in my hand. I'm sure I would adjust the other way, but dramatic changes in size require some time to adjust muscle memory. Dang, it was also big and heavy.

 

The battery door is very poorly designed? Hmmm. I never noticed any issues with it myself. Works fine, does its job well as far as my usage has gone.

What's there not to like about the design of the battery door and does that somehow diminish one's ability to make great use of the camera?

 

I didn't fall in love with the handling of the GX7 either.

If you want to get into an OMD, now is definitely the time. I'd look at getting into an EM5 or EM10, unless you need the PDAF, then get an EM1.

 

Gx7 has some weakness, but it delivers an awesome image, and it's definitely a very good camera.
I'm still don't find it very handy too, but its non bayer sensor is a good thing to try at least to read the 380 pages advanced manual, to find a way to customize the camera on your needs.
I printed some concert pics, shooted @6400 iso.. at home screen seemed to be nothing more an e-pl5 can provide. but printed.. seems to have shotted with an apsc..
I know gx7 has a difficult learning curve, as I mentioned in my past post, but give it a try with an eye on manual, wouldn't bother too much..

 

Tell us about it. Yeah, when I went from a DSLR to an EPL1, for weeks I kept bringing the camera to my eye for a non-existent viewfinder. Now when I dust off my old DSLR, I power it up and get confused beause there's no live view.

The OP is just telling us how he misses the exact feel of his Canon. If he did not have the luxury of being able to return the GX7, I suppose he might get used to the differences in a few weeks if he had to stick with it..

 

Thinking back to when I bought my first m43 camera coming from a Canon dslr. I bought an E-PM1. I hated it. I was used to two dials that allowed me to control the camera easily. Well, the E-PM1 "simplified" things by having only one dial and lots of menus. I just couldn't get comfortable changing settings. It took me forever, and forget trying to do it in the dark, like I could do on my Canon. I eventually bought a G5 and found it sooooo much easier to use. After I used the G5 for a good while and was happy enough with the IQ, and was happy with the controls, I sold my dslr. If I hadn't bought the G5, I probably would've switched to something else entirely. So much of my pleasure with a camera is the experience, not just the output. They both have to please me for me to be really happy. I got into m43 wanting the smallest camera I could find, that's why I bought the E-PM1. But now I have decided I don't mind a little size to have controls I like using. But each person is different. It's so great they make so many different cameras.

 

I can't tell you what your favourite will be, but I am also picky about ergonomics. Not keen on the bulky GH form factor. Don't like the dial positioning on the OM-D line.

My favourite camera is the Olympus EP-5, once I grew used to the clever two-way dial. In combination with the front and real dials, this puts four handy functions at your fingertips. Plus I am a big fan of the Olympus menu interface, whatever it is called, the one that puts all shooting parameters on an easy vertical and horizontal menu.

The optional EVF is the best I have used.

But I don't like the way the flash deploys so easily. Hey, nothing is perfect. But after about ten cameras, this is the closest yet.