EM10 Mark II and Amit, I pronounce you man and wife !All I can tell is that I like the second one more... should I merry my em10ii or buy a z7 ?![]()
EM10 Mark II and Amit, I pronounce you man and wife !All I can tell is that I like the second one more... should I merry my em10ii or buy a z7 ?![]()
That‘s a bit misleading. Lenstips performs its tests shot from a camera of that system, so the measurements already factor in sensor size. There is a reason why lenses are more important than bodies. A sensor can only interpret what resolution the lens provides, it can’t make the image a lens takes in any sharper than it already is.Actually your lens charts show us that you will get far more definition with the 24-70 F4 when shooting with a Z7, than you will with an EM +12-100.
These charts show line pairs/mm, but does not take into account thee sensor size. As the size factor between M43 and FF is 2, you must multiply the Nikon 24-70 results by 2 to give a scaled comparison.
Doing this, the picture becomes very different and you show in fact that one will get more defined pictures on the Z7. This is easy to see in practice when I compare the detail in my 24-70 shots with those on my old 12-35 2.8. In fact scaled the 12-100 is quite poor in comparison.
This is the same reason why my old 5x4 lenses had much less resolving power than my 35mm lenses, but produced far more detailed pictures thanks to the huge negative.
Of course in the real world at the sizes we view at, both systems give great results.
Ha ha ha ! The second one looks sharper...EM10 Mark II and Amit, I pronounce you man and wife !
I would be interested to see 100% crops of center & edges + EXIF info, if you don't want to put full files here. I bet many others would be interested too.On the Z7 + 24-70 vs m43 + (say) 12-100 question, and as someone who ran both together for a few months, I can say this:
- The Z7 + 24-70 is a fantastic combo. Not much bigger than the EM1.2/3 + 12-40, but definitely delivering more detail/resolution. It's very obvious when you go peeking at 100%
- However, you need to ask yourself what your "decent enough" threshold is
For me, I decided that the Z7 system was giving me more IQ than I needed. Sounds odd, but the Oly wins on many other criteria so I switched back. As an example, one of these images is with a Z7 + 24-70, the other with an EM10.2 (16Mp) + Panasonic 25mm f1.7. Both at base ISO (64 on Z7, 200 on EM10.2). Can you tell which is which?
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You can say for sure I did not expect that one.Well, top one is...
the Nikon.
Well summed up.Both are shot raw and tweaked in LR to be as close as possible to each other. That was the point. I’m happy to provide original raws and the LR recipes if anyone is interested, but that really isn’t the point.
The point is that for this type of shot (base ISO, daylight, only slight cropping, rendered 2048 pix wide for online), there is no practical advantage the Nikon offers. Of course, there will be more challenging scenes where the Nikon will be more suitable, but even then, there are tricks the Oly can do to even things up - great image stabilisation, HHHR, really nice bracketing feature with über fast e-shutter, ... And then the Oly brings portability advantages, cost advantages, lens range advantages, and feature advantages (live time/comp, liveND, focus stacking, over/under indicators on live view preview, pro capture, ...).
I’m no fan boy of m43 for its own sake- I liked the Nikon and I can see lots of use cases for it where m43 would struggle, but for what I use a camera for (mainly landscape) the Oly ticks more boxes. I would think a similar argument applies for studio work, street, macro, architecture/cityscape, and travel. I’m less convinced about event work (incl weddings) where its weaker ISO performance will hurt (and IBIS won’t help), and sports (ISO perf and still not class-leading AF). Wildlife I’m not experienced enough to comment, but seems to me that FF has ISO advantages that are well worth having, but they come with size/weigh/cost penalties so it seems anything will be a compromise. Having said that, I’ve seen excellent wildlife results from m43 as well as other formats so I guess it as much about technique and knowing your gear as much as the gear itself.
The business has not transferred to China. The imaging company is relocating from the Olympus HQ outside of Tokyo to another site near Tokyo. While the organisation is slimming down globally, over 100 R&D staff have been retained.
That doesn't sound that bad now does it?I got this info from a reliable source:
The business has not transferred to China. The imaging company is relocating from the Olympus HQ outside of Tokyo to another site near Tokyo. While the organisation is slimming down globally, over 100 R&D staff have been retained.
Current Vaio laptops are very much not generic and have a strong presence in the business market. Watch PS5 videos and see what laptop is being used.This was genuinely funny:
This self-confidence is underpinned by the success of the PC “VAIO” business. It returned to profitability in the fiscal year ended May 2016, and has continued to increase profits every fiscal year
Sony sold Vaio brand to JIP in 2014 and the next time anyone anywhere heard about Vaio again was in 2018 when this logo appeard on the cover of a generic OEM laptop which JIP tried to sell on premium thanks to olde-worlde premium brand.
Since JIP never even tried to sell Vaio laptops in Europe, our US counterparts might be able to tell whether they
a) do even recall this brand anymore, let alone
b) have actually purchased one lately.
Assuming that Sony actually paid JIP to take over this business as is typical in these cases and JIP invested exactly $125 in R&D (i.e. ordered Vaio logo to be printed on an off-the-shelf laptop), it was indeed a profitable move for JIP but pre-2014 VAIO customers might not have been that excited about the outcome.
Disclaimer: I was happy with the quality of my 2007 Sony Vaio laptop but thanks to low end processor for the price and Windows Vista (sic) I was able to not only brew coffee while waiting it to boot up but actually grow and roast coffee beans as well. It did serve me well for years with Ubuntu Linux though.
It's certainly better than the doom-mongers had predicted!That doesn't sound that bad now does it?
New sensor doesn't sound like a cheap facelift to me!Now camera wants. Do we have the bits for a facelifted EM-1x? The new 24.5mp sensor, two truepic ix and a 3.6m dot oled seems like a good start for a cheap facelift to me.
Brian
Well... It might not be cheap but that's pretty much all it takes. Everything else is already there. And actually that one is a "must". Without a new sensor m4/3 might lose credibility for many users. The new sensors are already there, they (OMD & Pana) just need to start utilizing them.New sensor doesn't sound like a cheap facelift to me!
I agree. I hope JIP just get on with it.Well... It might not be cheap but that's pretty much all it takes. Everything else is already there. And actually that one is a "must". Without a new sensor m4/3 might lose credibility for many users. The new sensors are already there, they (OMD & Pana) just need to start utilizing them.