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Monochrome on GF1

Discussion in 'Image Processing' started by owen27, Jun 28, 2010.

  1. owen27

    owen27 Mu-43 Rookie

    Jun 17, 2010
    Hi guys,

    Recently i took a few pictures on raw format and used the monochrome colour setting on the GF1.
    However, after importing to aperture or iphoto, it changes to colour.
    How do i maintain the monochrome colour of the GF1 rather than having to post process it to monochrome again?

  2. hmpws

    hmpws Mu-43 Regular

    Apr 24, 2010
    Auckland, New Zealand
    That's what happens when you shoot in RAW. The RAW developer redevelops the image. The only way would probably be to shoot in JPG (from my experience).
  3. owen27

    owen27 Mu-43 Rookie

    Jun 17, 2010
    Is there any way to salvage it? cause i love the images of gf1(tone) but cant recreate it in aperture...
  4. grebeman

    grebeman Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 13, 2010
    South Brent, south Devon (UK)
    I can't comment from experience with Aperture, however other photo editing software that I use enables recreation of black and white by desaturating the image (-100%) and then using channel mixer to adjust the three colour channels. Try and make the three channels sum to +100%, thus for example red +120%, green +50%, blue -70%, grand total +100%.
    There are other ways, in Photoshop I used to use gradients for which I built a range of preset ones.
    These techniques give a fine range of adjustments for black and white effects, I hope this gives you a starting point for exploring, all is not lost by any means.

  5. Brian Mosley

    Brian Mosley Administrator Emeritus

    Dec 15, 2009
    Hi Owen, unfortunately I don't think you'll perfectly recreate the GF1 monochrome setting from raw... you get lots of control in most raw converters, but you have to become expert to copy one look to another.


  6. Ephemeral Moment

    Ephemeral Moment Mu-43 Regular

    Jun 3, 2010
    If your using aperture 3 it has quite a lot of b&w conversion possibilities - I would try out the quick ones on the adjustment HUD first then fine tune it from there
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  7. Letrow

    Letrow Mu-43 Regular

    Jun 16, 2010
    Owen, you can just use Jpeg of course. If you shoot monochrome it stays monochrome. Some cameras (don't know whether this applies to the GF1) will give you the option of having a Raw and a Jpeg shot being recorded at the same time.
    Third option is to use a program like Gimp or Photoshop and make a monochrome using desaturate or use of the channel mixer. See here for a tutorial in Gimp.
    This last option gives you better control of the monochrome end result than your camera, so it might be worth the try.
  8. Grant

    Grant Mu-43 Veteran

    Hi Owen when you shoot raw B&W conversion is easy and rewarding in Aperture. Also all changes are to sidecar files so there is no damage to your original image.

    So here is what I do. First I like working on my images in Aperture in full screen “F” toggle that. Second I work with the hud and “H” toggles that. When you are in the hud make sure you have the adjustment tab selected.

    Now there are many ways to get black and white. The first area is click on “Adjustment” fly out on in the “Adjustment” tab (under the histogram) and select “Black & White” You will have a black and white image and a control panel will appear that allows you to select the RGB colour mix. It is defaulted to 30, 59, 11 which is pretty much what the human eye sees.

    Another way oway that is both fast and good is to go to “Presets” fly out on in the “Adjustment” tab (again under the histogram) and select “Black & White”. Here you will have, I think, nine presets for black and white. All are great places to start.

    If you want to take it to the Max do a search on the web for Aperture presets and you will find a slew of free ones. Just add they and have a blast. Some of the free presets are awesome.

    Oh if you have lots of money, Nik Software makes excellent add-ons and so does Topaz Labs. I have Nik and they are great but honestly Aperture can do a whole lot out of the box.
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  9. hanzo

    hanzo Mu-43 Veteran

    Jan 22, 2010
    I think everybody forgot to mention that there is an option to shoot RAW + JPEG ? :biggrin:

  10. owen27

    owen27 Mu-43 Rookie

    Jun 17, 2010
    Thanks a bundle guys!! Is really encouraging to see so many replies here!!
    Ok from what i gather is safer to shoot raw and jpg so i can maintain the camera mod. And for the current pics of raw only that i have, I will have to play around with aperture.

    Thanks again guys!! for all ur answers and detailed ones at that!!
  11. dwig

    dwig Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Jun 26, 2010
    Key West FL
    Importing into aperture does not change anything. The B&W you saw in-camera was a preview bitmap generated using the GF-1's own software. The RAW file is "raw" and not affected by the GF-1's settings.

    If you want the GF-1's B&W conversion you have to shoot JPEG.

    In general, using any "fixed" B&W conversion process, whether in-camera of in post processing is a poor method. Each shot can require a different approach in order to get the best results. Doing the B&W conversion in post processing is the only really good way to go.

    The advantage to selecting the B&W mode when shooting RAW is that you can get an approximate B&W preview. This can be a big help in composing the image and seeing many of the issues with how different colored object map to different grays. Still, doing the final conversion in post allow for correcting many of the color to gray value issues.
  12. Pelao

    Pelao Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Feb 3, 2010
    Ontario, Canada
    Yes, that's what I would recommend if the camera's BW settings are attractive to you. This also gives you the option to play with your editing application BW conversion from the RAW file.
  13. owen27

    owen27 Mu-43 Rookie

    Jun 17, 2010
    Hmmm ok thanks...
    I dunno if i am a bit colourblind but the monochrome in gf1... is not black and white rite? and is not really sepia rite?
    so should i put it in black and white and try to adjust the colours? or issit in sepia and try to adjust the colours??R G B
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