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m43 revelation

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by dixeyk, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    I think we all get caught up sometimes in wondering weather this camera or that is better, faster, less noisy has better dynamic range or what-have-you. For the past year since I switched form using a DSLR to m43 I have had 5 bodies (E-PL1/P1/PL2, GF2and G2) several native of lenses (Olympus and Panasonic) and at least 3 entire sets of legacy lenses (Konica, Super Takumar, and Olympus) as well as a number of other lenses such as Pen-F, Pentax K, Minolta, Jupiter and Helios. after all that I have come to a few conclusions about my little experiment.

    First, I like the mini DSLR body form factor of my G2 better than any of the other m43 cameras I have had. My next m43 (whenever that is) will be that same style. Built-in EVF, articulating LCD and slightly larger. I find the G2 os something similar is great for the kinds of things I do and I don't see myself going back to the other body style anytime soon. Next, I realize that DSLRs will give me better images but I really don't see much difference in the IQ of any of the m43 bodies. Yes there are differences and if you see them as significant enough to make one camera more attractive to you than another then more power to you but of the cameras I've had I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a print made from any or all of them apart. Finally, I think think that we can all do more to improve our image by practice than we can buying new gear.

    This has been great fun and I have learned a lot. I enjoy the community mere and look forward to more learning and more fun. Now I'm going to spend some quality time learning/using my G2 until it breaks or I get to the point where it is limiting what I do (I guarantee it will break first).
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  2. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    If I didn't already own a G3, I'd probably get a G2. At it's current $300 price it's a good bargain!
  3. Kevin, I'm bored of endless discussion about new cameras/lenses too...
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  4. littlefish

    littlefish Mu-43 Regular

    Aug 22, 2011
    Glos., UK
    Very well said. Talking about photography can be both informative and fun but nothing beats actually doing it.
  5. Canonista

    Canonista Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Sep 3, 2011
    But isn't that what drives much of the traffic to sites like this. :wink:

    I actually agree with your statement. I used to spend way too much time researching and talking about gear at Photo-on-the-Net until I completed my Canon DSLR kit several years ago. I upgraded to my dream camera (5D), got some quality lenses, some essential accessories, and I had all the gear that I would ever need or could expect to master. I stopped frequenting POTN and spent more time taking photos.

    Addiction cured... until the m43 format came along. :rolleyes:  I did wait a few years until the m43 cameras were a few generations old so that I would get one with most of the bugs worked out, and that I would be happy using for a long time to come. So, one or two more lens purchases, an EVF, and then I'm done talking/buying gear. :2thumbs:

  6. You're absolutely right, but when that sort of discussion starts to dominate the site the people who are more interested in talking about photography rather than the latest gear will get frustrated and reduce their participation or even move on. They are usually the ones who keep the site flowing when (if) the new model releases dry up for a spell.

    As a good example, the "Where's the %&*$ 45mm" thread in less than one month is in the top 25 most viewed threads ever on this site (remembering that the site is around years old) yet is mostly made up of almost 500 posts complaining about a new lens that hasn't been delivered yet. At the same time, threads that are more centered on photographic and processing technique, images, etc wither quickly and die.

    At the end of the day the direction and success of a forum is governed by what the members are interested in discussing and how much traffic it generates, but you can't please all members all of the time.

    P.S. Sorry Kevin. I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying your "old clunker".
  7. Luke

    Luke Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jul 30, 2010
    Milwaukee, WI
    I'm a little bit of both worlds. I love hearing about people enjoying their new cameras and hearing about the new features, but it does all come down to photography in the end.
  8. nickthetasmaniac

    nickthetasmaniac Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 11, 2011
    Me too... But discussion about old lenses is another matter entirely :smile:

    "Now, this one time, a bloke walked into a pawn shop and found a lens with 'SMC' written on the front..."
  9. KVG

    KVG Banned User

    May 10, 2011
    yyc(Calgary, AB)
    Kelly Gibbons
    I have noticed that in the last little bit the forum has indeed shifted from having lots of photography shown and discussed(always my favorite to see) to gear, gear, gear. It's probably natural for the forum as it's called mu-43 user forum not a mu-43 photography site. It is amazing how many different cameras people have owned. Personally I've sold most of my lenses, soon I will only have my 20mm,14-140(on the way), and maybe a wide angle later. My GF1 probably won't be going away soon as it works great for me, but I'm just a photography newb what do I know?

    Sent from my iPhone using Mu-43 App
  10. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    That's why I haven't been around much this past month. I find that I can't get excited about talking gear. I realize it's the purpose pof a gear centric site such as this but I just want something different. I'm fascinated by what old photographers did to get their images techniques wise or what they were thinking...or even why they chose a certain focal length (but not to compare it to something else but for the characteristics they wanted in that particular shot).

    I've been spending my time shooting. I did a little project for myself HERE to try and capture my Summer in pictures. It was an interesting little exercise. I found myself more and more looking at BW to capture stuff and really finding it more liberating than color.
  11. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    LOL!!! now I feel so satisfied. :rofl:
  12. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Good thread & thoughts here...

    I can sympathize with the OP in that I've had a little revelation of my own....:smile:
  13. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    What I am finding is that I am constantly amazed that many of the folks I "chat" with on this forum are all over the world and yet we very seldom (if ever) just talk about that. For example I have people that I have had many exchanges with (and whom I trust) in Australia...all I know of the land down under is Uluru, Didgeridoos and Dingos...oh yeah and just about every insect and snake that can kill you (I'm guessing they don't wear sandals much right?).

    Seriously though, I don't know anything about my "friends' here on m43. I suppose however I should start so here goes...

    I'm 50 and live in Bellingham in Washington State in the Pacific Northwest. I work at a university doing tech support and have a wonderful wife of 27 years and a great 8 year old sone (that I photograph a lot). I am a cancer survivor (10 years clear in 2012) and my plan is to run with the bulls in Pamplona to celebrate that fact. I am an aspiring writer. I also am an environmentalist and am fascinated with getting folks to understand that they need to get their butts of the couch and get outside. I believe that top down conservation (such as legislation) is not particularly effective an that for it to really take it needs to be a bottom up approach where folks see the wilderness as something they have ownership of (not in the commercial sense).

    If you are curious to see what I look like and sound like (eew) one of my first conservation videos is a walking tour of one of the local protected areas in my town called the Stimpson Reserve. I'd love to share what it's like to live here and shoot photos here. I'd also like to know about you and what it's like there. What do you shoot, where do you go, where is your inspiration?
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  14. photoSmart42

    photoSmart42 Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Feb 12, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    There's room for both. Gear is a tool photographers use for their photography, so there's no way to separate gear from a conversation on photography. IMO this has never been a pure photography forum as much as some wish it to be, and you can't control what gets people frustrated and makes them choose to go somewhere else. Like you said, this forum is what its members wish it to be, and right now there's a flurry of gear discussions. Maybe in a few months it'll transition back to a more 'photography' focus (though I'm still not sure what that really means without gear).
  15. Biro

    Biro Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    May 8, 2011
    Jersey Shore
    I agree there's room - and reason - for both. And that's why we have so many categories for discussion in these mu-43 forums. Remember, :43: is still new for many people - particularly for those who may only now be taking up photography as a specific enthusiasm. So we want to welcome and help these people make their gear choices as best we can.

    Also, most of us are - at the very least - at least mildly interested when new cameras and sensors are introduced. After all, most of us - as :43: gear owners - have a stake in where the format/system goes. So we should feel free to talk about it all.

    But we don't want to squeeze out those who are happy with their gear and now want to get on with the joy of photography and sharing their work. So please, take pictures and post anything you like. And we should feel free to both solicit and offer critiques of images. After all, we won't grow without outside input- especially when it's offered in the spirit of friendship.

    I personally have focused on gear in recent months, as I have been revamping my kit for, say, the next five years or so. The role of :43: in my kit could have gone in a couple of directions, based whether I was going to keep my Pentax DSLR gear. In the end, I decided to buy a K-5 (which may still end up being my last "real" DSLR). That means I skipped the GH2 and stopped waiting for the pro replacement for the GF1 and went for two smaller :43: bodies.

    If the K-5 ever goes, however, it's likely my Pentax glass will go as well, making room for whatever the top-line :43: body is at the time - and more top-end :43: glass. But, for now, I'm pretty happy with where my kit is and plan to get back to "taking pictures."
  16. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 9, 2010
    It is funny to me though that the introduction of the new Pens caused such a frenzy of gear lust. They're nice but c'mon they don't cure cancer or feed the poor. They're just cameras (and expensive ones at that). They're very nice and well thought out but from what I am seeing they doen't seem to be THAT much better than what came before. They are a very nice evolution of the product line but the "old clunkers' some of us have still work. It's not like my G2 stopped functioning now that the new models arrived.

    But...I've been there too when I went and bought the G2 and the several times I went lens crazy. I dunno though...this feels different.
  17. GaryAyala

    GaryAyala Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 2, 2011
    Gear is much easier to talk about because as it is largely black & white it is either f/2 or not et cetera, so at least there is level point for discourse to begin ... while discussions of images are 110% subjective. Many photogs cannot disassociate the picture taking from the picture viewing ... allowing the personal emotions and experiences of the taking influence and heighten the personal value of the image.

    "But dude, I was standing left-footed on the fender of my bike, shooting without IBIS, holding the camera in one hand, my 2 month old baby in the other, at night during a blue moon and my flash isn't working all that well ... as to the crop ... well, I don't crop ... just like Henri." While that is a nice story to be enjoyed over a pint, it doesn't improve the quality or impact of the image.

  18. GaryAyala

    GaryAyala Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 2, 2011

    Its been my experience that, generally speaking, the better the hardware the easier it is to consistently capture the exceptional image.

  19. photoSmart42

    photoSmart42 Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Feb 12, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    Well, maybe it IS different. IMO the more popular the format becomes, the more influx of amateur photographers you get to sites like this. Amateurs are generally more passionate about gear and less about taking great photographs because they're simply not as experienced at taking good photographs as enthusiasts, so as with everything else they spend a lot more time trying to find that next piece of gear that'll get them better photos.

    There are other sites out there that focus on enthusiasts more than they do on amateurs, but the reality is that there's a lot fewer members than there are here. You kinda just have to pick your poison - more, less experienced users who like to focus more on gear than in spending time to take better photos, or the opposite.

    It's all about balance, and that balance isn't constant. It's all good. :smile:
  20. Luke

    Luke Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jul 30, 2010
    Milwaukee, WI
    They are to me the ONLY leap forward that any of the cameras has made. The GH2 and G3 were nice advancements from Panasonic in IQ, but basically functioned the same.

    The new Pens besides having improved IQ also have a quite noticeable and pretty major advance in focus speed.

    Another way to look at it is that most Pen users complained about a few specific things. The new Pens addressed those issues. The only consistent gripe I hear from Panasonic users (in the non-hump variety) is the lack of a built-in EVF. If that gets addressed, I suspect a similar upheaval. I'm not sure what Panasonic could change to the G or GH line to get a broad base of updaters, but the gf line is ready for it's own PEN-like shake 'em up.
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