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Lost love for Nokton MFT lenses

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by Bhupinder2002, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. Bhupinder2002

    Bhupinder2002 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Hi Guys :smile:
    I have noticed that Nokton/VL 17.5 mm .95 and 25mm .95 failed to sell on the whole .I see people often wanting fast primes but no one talks about these ones any more.I was wondering what made them unpopular lenses ?Price?weight?Manual focusing ? Or all three ?
    Cheers
    Bhupinder
     
  2. twalker294

    twalker294 Mu-43 Top Veteran

    543
    Aug 18, 2010
    I would say price and MF. Sure the 25/.95 is a great lens but is it that much better than the P25/1.4 which has AF for half the price? Same for the 17.5/.95 vs. the O17/1.8. I just don't think most people are willing to give up AF AND pay double just to get a super fast lens, no matter how well it's made or how pretty the bokeh is.
     
  3. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    If I was shooting more video I would find a way to afford one. Mechanically coupled focus is a win.
     
  4. monk3y

    monk3y Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 14, 2013
    in The Cloud...
    Steven
    I agree... I was looking at them and even though the prices here in Japan are very good. I still don't see myself touching any of them anytime soon. They are way too expensive compared to the native lenses with AF.
     
  5. gochugogi

    gochugogi Mu-43 Veteran

    If Nokton added AF and kept the same price, sales would skyrocket.
     
  6. uci2ci

    uci2ci Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 22, 2012
    Los Angeles, CA
    Sam
    Its gotta be the MF. Look at the Rikonon 85mm 1.4....cheap at hell, pretty sharp, but you rarely hear about it. I know its an adapted lens, but its made for digital sensors.
     
  7. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, CA
    Majority of M43 bodies don't have focus peaking. With the advent of newer bodies including that feature, I think we'll see a resurgence of these fast MF primes.
     
  8. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    I'd be surprised. Most of the people who I see try manual focus enjoy it for a bit, and then decide that it's not worth the extra hassle. I think it's telling that Zeiss did include AF for their mirrorless lenses.
     
  9. burdickjp

    burdickjp Mu-43 Veteran

    235
    Feb 25, 2013
    I agree.

    Also, I think they've sold more than the OP is giving credit. I've seen one on craigslist locally, and I'm not in a big town at all.
     
  10. uscrx

    uscrx Mu-43 Veteran

    440
    Aug 26, 2011
    Shasta Cascade
    If I'm going to pay that much money for a lens, it better auto focus.

    That's all.:wink:

    I have a load of manual focus lenses.

    And now... I just don't want to manual focus.
     
  11. Kingsfan

    Kingsfan Mu-43 Top Veteran

    834
    Nov 22, 2010
    highland park, CA
    Q
    when the 25mm first came out, it was selling like mad. the price shot up like $100 every month until it hit about $1400. since the panny/leica 25mm came out, looks like the price on the nokton came back to reality.
     
  12. ntblowz

    ntblowz Mu-43 Veteran

    312
    Nov 13, 2011
    Auckland, New Zealand
    I still have the Nokton, sold the Leica 25mm, for video the smooth butter focus is really nice, with F0.95 I can just use ISO800 at reception

    With Blackmagic pocket being sold to more people and the 1/3 price slash of Cinema Camera I think there will definitely more customers for Voigtlander, if the job is paying for the gear why not?
     
  13. Gillymaru

    Gillymaru Mu-43 Veteran

    I wouldn't say that the Nokton 25 was unpopular. Most of the people who own them love it for its special rendering and build quality. It is a specialist lens and as such it appeals to fewer people than say the Panasonic 25mm or 20mm would.
     
  14. Mijo

    Mijo Mu-43 Veteran

    220
    Jan 23, 2012
    San Francisco, CA
    I have the CV 17 and i'd say the MF, excessive weight and cost are probably what turn people off of these lenses. I like the feel of the MF on the CV but there are times that I'm just feeling lazy and would rather use AF. My FF set up is MF only so when I switch to m4/3 i want to use AF, and I'm finding that I use my CV less and less.
     
  15. dadadude

    dadadude Mu-43 Regular

    156
    Jun 12, 2013
    San Carlos, CA
    David
    When did it become a chore to manually focus? I find focusing, setting the aperture and shutter speed half the fun of the process. I just don't get this auto stuff. On the other hand I'm 61 and I only own vacuum tube amps for my guitar obsession so you can see where my head is at.
     
  16. Hagane

    Hagane Mu-43 Regular

    88
    May 31, 2013
    Limburg, Netherlands
    The 17.5 is somewhat expansive and in most cases my 20mm f1.7 is just fine, so I looked a bit more into the 25mm 0.95. And the more I researched, the less I wanted one.

    Sure build quality is superb, and MF isn't that big of a deal for me, but the real drawback for me is the 'character' of those lenses. Full open it isn't sharp (yeah, yeah, I know, it's "dreamy"), aberrations, flare, somewhat harsh bokeh stopped down, etc...

    I know that several people here are using this lens and doing great stuff with it, but you really have to know how to use this thing otherwise you'd be better off with the 20mm or the 25mm 1.4

    So, I stay with my 20mm and add 'character' in post...:cool:
     
  17. wlewisiii

    wlewisiii Mu-43 Veteran

    237
    Dec 16, 2011
    Hayward, WI
    William Barnett-Lewis
    For me it's simple cost. I've used other lenses and cameras from them so I know the quality will be good and I don't mind the MF. But for a $1000 I can get a new E-PL5 & a gently used Panasonic 25/1.4 so why should I spend that much for a Nokton? If someone gave me one, I'd be estatic and use it happily but if I had to actually pay for it, then I can think of more than a few other things I'd rather have first.
     
  18. tanngrisnir3

    tanngrisnir3 Mu-43 Top Veteran

    594
    Oct 18, 2011
    For me it's not cost, but usefulness.

    I've seen a lot of cool shots with it, esp. since its minimum focus distance is so surprisingly small, but as a landscaper I always wonder how I would actually find value in it.

    IOW, how would its cost justify me getting it and trying to sell what I shoot with it?

    Still, looks like an awfully fun toy.
     
  19. uscrx

    uscrx Mu-43 Veteran

    440
    Aug 26, 2011
    Shasta Cascade
    Manual focus is not a chore. It's therapeutic.
    Yet there are times when lightening fast auto focus really helps. Sports..Birds..Moving Subject.. bright day when LCD screen is drowned out and you're without an EVF etc.

    It's about having the option to manual focus and auto focus.
     
  20. madogvelkor

    madogvelkor Mu-43 Top Veteran

    937
    Feb 22, 2013
    Connecticut
    I've actually got that one, as a cheap alternative to the 75mm. Nice lens, but big and heavy since it is designed to cover a FF sensor. For portraits I end up using the Oly 45mm because it is so small.

    If you can get it at a good price it is worth having even if it isn't a lens you'll use every day. And I'm tempted to try a speed booster on it...