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If you were starting from scratch

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by DynaSport, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. DynaSport

    DynaSport Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jan 5, 2013
    what three lenses would you start with? I started in M43 several years ago with different priorities than I have now. I came from Canon APS-C and heavy 2.8 zooms. I had stopped taking my camera with me because it had become a hassle. So I wanted a small ILC that I could fit in a pocket and take with me all the time. I discovered that even the E-PM1 and kit lens wouldn’t find in my jeans pocket and for more serious shooting I wanted a camera with a better grip. And my lens purchases have been made with changing priorities over the years so that now I own some glass I would no longer have bought. In fact I may sell a few, which I generally don’t like doing. But all that got me thinking that if I was starting today, what would I buy. I’ll be honest and say my list isn’t realistic for me. I don’t think I could bring myself to spend this much on three lenses all at once. But hey, this is just an academic exercise. No one is charging this to my bank account today.

    So, here is mine.
    First the 12-100. I’ve not used the lens, but the quality photos I’ve seen captured with this lens is amazing for such a superzoom. I’d really like to have a copy. Instead, I have the P14-140, which is a pretty decent lens itself. Smaller than the 12-100, but I’d like the dual IS and quality upgrade of the 12-100.
    Next is the 300 Pro. It’s easy to drop this kind of money on lenses. A Nikon or Canon 70-200 2.8 will cost this much or more. But it’s a lot of money to me, which is why I don’t own one yet. But I do think I will eventually.

    And finally I’d want a prime for indoor and low light photos. But which one? My most used prime has been my PL25, so while part of me wants the 45 Pro, I think the 25 is more versatile and so the 25 Pro would be my first prime.

    What about you?
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  2. WT21

    WT21 Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Feb 19, 2010
    I have my kit for lightweight/travel, so it would be:
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  3. Wibbly23

    Wibbly23 Mu-43 Regular

    Nov 6, 2018
    i just started, so what i'm doing is from scratch...

    i got the em1.2 in a kit with a 12-40 pro for a pretty nice discount (i think olympus had a 700 dollar CAD rebate at the time), i have the 40-150 on the way

    after that i'll probably get the 45 1.2 pro, or a voigtlander nokton 25 f.95

    that's all i'm really interested in at the moment.
  4. MiguelATF

    MiguelATF Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Jul 9, 2012
    Somewhere in Southern Oregon
    Miguel Tejada-Flores
    Not sure about three lenses, but the one lens I would not do without would be the Pana-Leica 15mm. A true gem of a lens, one of the finer pieces of glass for micro-four-thirds in my estimation.
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  5. *shrug* I buy and sell, so at any one time what I have is basically what I'd get starting from scratch anyway. The PL50-200 with 1.4 TC being the exception - I can't really justify that over my second-hand 100-300 II.

    If I was to be strictly limited to 3 lenses? 12-40 f/2.8, 50-200 f/2.8-4 + 1.4 TC, 25mm f/1.8.
  6. DynaSport

    DynaSport Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jan 5, 2013
    I didn’t mean this as a strictly limited to three lens exercise. I meant the first three lenses you’d buy now if you didn’t have any. Most people don’t buy more than three lenses immediately upon buying a new camera system. Most, not all clearly.
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  7. barry13

    barry13 Mu-43.com Editor Subscribing Member

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    I really like the 12-40, but would seriously consider the PL12-60 now. The 12-100 is also tempting, but probably not as my only standard zoom.
  8. saladin

    saladin Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 29, 2015
    so many factors in play, even ignoring price. The lenses i'd choose would be in part effected by the body i'd choose, which in turn would depend on the usage of the kit. And depending on which side of the bed i get out of, that could be prioritising smallness or a priority of outright quality! LOL.

    that said, I'm generally a prime lens fan. If i am being honest and starting from scratch, in the real world of family life economics , i'd probably look at the compromise price range and get the three sigma's - 16, 30, 56 /1.4's.

    And then constantly yearn for the PL and Pro lenses.........
  9. Carbonman

    Carbonman Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jul 10, 2014
    Vancouver BC
    The 3 Olympus Pro zooms I currently have: 7-14, 12-40 and 40-150. I started from scratch about 4-1/2 years ago and am almost done with my lens hoarding.
    @DynaSport@DynaSport , the 300 is an awesome lens with or without the 1.4TC.
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  10. Bushboy

    Bushboy Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Apr 22, 2018
    No1. Olympus 30mm macro
    No2. Olympus 12-100
    No3. Panasonic 100-400
  11. ac12

    ac12 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 24, 2018
    Here are my 2 options, #1 is my budget kit, #2 more expensive but still not full pro kit.

    Option 1: (This is what I started with and still have and use for my travel kit, and I would do this again.)
    1. Panasonic 12-60/3.5-5.6 (This is my GP lens)
    2. Olympus 17/1.8 (My low light indoor lens)
    3. Olympus 40-150R/4-5.6 (An optional lens, as the 12-60 is long enough for 95+% of my shots.)
    4. Olympus 14-42EZ or Panasonic 14-42 or Panasonic 20/1.8 pancake lens. (Another optional lens, for compact carry.)
    Option 2: (This brings in the pro 12-100, but at significantly more $$$)
    1. Olympus 12-100/4 (This would be the GP lens.)
    2. Panasonic 12-60/3.5-5.6 (This would be my lighter travel GP lens.)
    3. Olympus 17/1.8 (My low light lens.)
    4. Olympus 14-42EZ or Panasonic 14-42 or Panasonic 20/1.8 pancake lens. (An optional lens, for compact carry.)
    • Olympus 17/1.8 (My low light indoor lens. My logic was that if I was shooting in low light, it would probably be indoors, and indoors space is tight, so the wider 17 would be better than the 20 or 25.)
    • Olympus 14-42EZ or Panasonic 14-42 or Panasonic 20/1.8 pancake lens. (For a compact carry lens when you want the camera to be as small as possible. The pancake lens makes the EM10 about the size of a medium P&S camera.)
    Depending on what you shoot you may want a longer x-300 lens or an ultra-wide lens.

    The other half is the camera itself.
    • EM1-mk2 or EM1-mk1 or EM5-mk2 (For my standard camera.)
    • EM10-mk2 or mk3. (For compact size. I have an EM1, and I bought an EM10-mk2 to have a smaller compact alternate/companion camera. I would probably be happy with just the EM10-mk2.)
    • The EM5-mk2 and EM10 use the same battery, so logistics is easier than the EM1 + EM10 combo which use different batteries.
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  12. ToxicTabasco

    ToxicTabasco Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jul 2, 2018
    South West USA
    I learned from years of DSLR what my regrets and success are with a lens system. Thus, when I switched to Lumix G9 it would be the lenses I wanted but did not get when shooting DSLR due to huge size, weight, and high cost. Thus, with G9, the 12-35 f/2.8 II, 35-100 f/2.8 II, and 100-300 f/4-5.6 II. And for the GX85 the 15mm f/1.7, and 42.5mm f/1.7.

    But for bird photography, I'm regretting the 100-300 and possibly getting the 100-400 for the extra reach, and clarity on the long end. But, the size and weight are still a big concern for me. Super telephoto is uncharted ground for me with micro four thirds. Still learning and trying to find the best lens for it.
  13. Jay_M

    Jay_M Mu-43 Veteran Subscribing Member

    Jul 30, 2018
    Price is a big factor in what lenses I actually purchase. I would love to get some of the longer PL zooms, but I doubt I will ever pony up the $$$ to get one of those. I really like the 3 PL lenses I have now, but if price wasn't a concern I would trade my PL 15 for the PL 50-200, and keep my PL 25 and PL 12-60 to go with it. I don't plan on getting rid of my PL 15, just for the exercise of what 3 lenses I would work with.
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  14. ac12

    ac12 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 24, 2018
    The neat thing about m4/3 is the 2 lines of lenses; non-pro and pro.
    I can see a very good reason to have both the non-pro lenses (for their compact size and light weight), and the pro lenses (for the FAST speed). And this is what I am going to head towards.

    The only wrinkle for me, is the heavy Olympus 40-150/2.8 vs. the lighter Panasonic 35-100/2.8.
  15. KeithT

    KeithT Mu-43 Veteran

    Jan 17, 2017
    South Africa
    Keith Temlett
    Interesting post Dan - thankfully academic only.:wink:

    Watched a video on the EM1.2 and was gobsmacked. Couldn't afford it so decided the EM1.1 was more that I could use . . . . and it still is .:biggrin: My first ILC camera.

    Regarding lenses I really knew nothing. Even bought lenses before I got the camera.

    Saw a local ad for a gent selling off his 43 kit. So what did I do? . . . bought the 70-300mm - wow! :dash2:

    Saw he also had a 50mm f2 so after learning a bit and after joining this forum I bought that too.

    GAS took over so I then bought:

    Oly 25mm 1.8
    Oly 14-42mm (for my wife)
    Oly 12-50mm
    Oly 40-150mm (x 2, 1 for my wife + EM10 mkII)

    Having the 70-300mm I thought I could cover every scenario from 12-300mm, easy as that :coco:
    (I mean after all the Sx50hs does 28-1200mm right, so i was about halfway there)

    Wife didn't like an ILC, preferred Canon G16 and SX50HS, so I sold her camera and all the lenses listed above.

    Looking at this forum (and DPR just a little) I decided (and budget played a roll) to go with the often described 43 trinity:
    (made decisions based a lot on showcases and write-ups on this forum so a lot of you are to blame :rofl:)

    Oly 50mm f2, which I had and used exclusively for about a year.
    Oly 12-60mm (which I know you have)
    Oly 50-200mm (which you also have)
    Ec-14 and Ec-20

    I bought the 12-60, 50-200, and the EC's Dec last year and only received them yesterday... long story short, a friend was supposed to go to the USA but trip was cancelled a few times so the lenses sat in Florida since Dec 2017 (and a lot happens in a year in the camera world).

    Only received them two days ago so haven't even shot with them as yet.

    Did I do the right thing going back to 43 lenses?, I hope not and only time will tell, but first impressions look good despite the weight and size.

    Back to your question . . . . carte blanche (with hindsight) 3 lenses would be:

    Oly 12-100mm is a no-brainer
    Oly 300mm pro (if the rumoured 150-400mm was a reality I would take that instead)
    Either 25mm f1.2 or 45mm f1.2 - I like zooms so probably the 25mm f1.2, probably more practical
    (could I just squeeze in a Oly 150mm f2.... please)

    Oh and if carte blanche I'd take the rumoured Em-1X as well without even seeing it :2thumbs: just because I could.

    Hope to post pics reasonably soon from my old budget 43's :dance4:
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  16. First off, for the camera I’d go:

    Panasonic GX8 (maybe a G9 but I prefer the ergonomics of the GX8)

    For lenses:

    Olympus 12-100mm
    Sigma 16mm f/1.4
    Either Sigma 30mm f/1.4 or the new 56mm f/1.4

    I think the combo of a good superzoom and a couple of super fast primes would be perfect for me.
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  17. jaapvanderkooij

    jaapvanderkooij Mu-43 Regular

    Nov 9, 2017
    I switched over form Nikon last year.
    As we travel a lot, my set was too heavy (in my opinion).
    I bought a G80 with kitlens 12-60 which I think is good enough for the kind of pictures I take.
    Together with that set I bought the 100-400 as I like to try to make pictures of birds and wildlife.
    Later I added the G9.
    At this moment I am looking at the PL 15mm as I want to take pictures when we have dinner with our guests in dark yurts, but preferrably without flash.

    As soon as the Panasonic FF comes out I will have a look at that, if the menu's and the buttons on the camera are equal to the G9, then my G80 will go and I will (try) to get the FF with a standard zoom and a wideangle prime.
  18. Whether starting from scratch or not, GAS will overtake most of us sooner or later. So given that, why not just go with the flow?
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  19. alex66

    alex66 Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Jul 23, 2010
    Three is quite hard.
    Though first three would probably be these;
    Panasonic 12-60 the kit one as it is lighter
    One of the 25mm lenses not the Olympus 1.2 though as it is too heavy
    Any of the 42.5 or 45mm lenses though again the 1.7/8 versions due to weight.
    But I may but the 17mm 1.8 instead of the 12-60 and forgo the usefulness of zoom over the increasing ease of shooting at the 17 angle of view. I would in honesty get four pretty quickly and they would be the core of my kit, a second body would also be a very quick addition.
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  20. retiredfromlife

    retiredfromlife Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 15, 2016
    Sydney, Australia
    If money was no object and I did not care about repairability, otherwise I would pick the compromises I have already made.

    Oly 12-100 pro
    Panasonic 100-400 [ or Oly 150-400 possibly]
    Either the Oly 25 1.2 or the Oly 60 macro
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