If I don't buy this, then I might be a hypocrite

threeOh

Mu-43 Veteran
Joined
Aug 22, 2019
Messages
224
That’s a far more versatile fixed lens, pocketable camera. It will be interesting to see how it sells.

Fortunately I don’t need another fixed lens, pocketable camera.
 

alex66

Mu-43 All-Pro
Joined
Jul 23, 2010
Messages
1,581
I saw it and thought ooh nice almost ideal camera, good focal length and the Ricoh compacts have great ergonomics. Then I saw the price and though well a G100 plus 20mm or 12-32 is not much bigger and less money. Now if it came down to a reasonable price I could change my mind.
 

frankmulder

Mu-43 Top Veteran
Joined
Jun 8, 2019
Messages
509
I want it! OK, I haven't seen the price, and my GX85 + 20mm f/1.7 is probably just as good (if not better), but I'm glad to see an enthusiast pocket camera with a focal length that is not 28mm. :)
 

demiro

Mu-43 Hall of Famer
Joined
Nov 7, 2010
Messages
3,376
Location
northeast US
I'm with you @WT21 Very tempting, even at 2.8. Love the FL. Says it can go to ISO 102,4000, so maybe faster is not necessary. Maybe. I haven't cared much about a new camera announcement for a while, but this gets me thinking. My biggest reservation is that the GR cams always seemed to need more PP than almost any other brand. I'm especially spoiled by Oly and Fuji JPEGs.
 

WT21

Mu-43 Legend
Joined
Feb 19, 2010
Messages
7,411
Location
Boston
I want it! OK, I haven't seen the price, and my GX85 + 20mm f/1.7 is probably just as good (if not better), but I'm glad to see an enthusiast pocket camera with a focal length that is not 28mm. :)
Not available in the US yet (??) but its 899 GBP and 999 Euro, so expect $999 USD if it gets over here. Kai has a video on this camera. You don't learn much other than "it's a 40mm GRD" but the upside is -- it doesn't change anything from the GRD formula and is fast functioning.
 
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Messages
5,129
Location
Oregon USA
Real Name
Andrew L
I saw it and thought ooh nice almost ideal camera, good focal length and the Ricoh compacts have great ergonomics. Then I saw the price and though well a G100 plus 20mm or 12-32 is not much bigger and less money. Now if it came down to a reasonable price I could change my mind.
A G100 and 20mm is quite a lot bigger, the difference comes down to slipping it into and out of your pocket. The Ricoh is effortless, the G100 you kind of have to have on a strap.
 
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Messages
5,129
Location
Oregon USA
Real Name
Andrew L
I'm pretty much in the same boat - I've been saying I want this for a long time, so I had better get it! I think I'm going to order one and use it side by side with the GRIII for a week or two. I really respect the 28mm focal length, and I think sometimes I can make good images with it. But 40mm I can nearly always get a shot I'm happy with. 28mm is just more demanding.

I might get the GRIIIx and limit myself to shooting with only it for a while, and see what I come up with. At $1k it's definitely not cheap, and something (or things) else will need to go. So I need to be convinced by the lens. It's not going to have amazingly shallow DoF (being a 26.1mm f2.8) and will likely have noticeably broader DoF than the 20/1.7 wide open. But the Ricoh rendering on the 24mp sensor and its 14-bit DNG files are really something.

Ideally I would like this camera to be the best essential everyday carry camera - and I think it will be that. Tiny, fast, normal focal length should give me the ability to compose more easily on the fly without needing to combat the 28mm propensity to distort subjects close to the edges, or having to think as carefully about relationship between near and far elements. The interplay of those is what makes 28mm really important as a focal length, but it can also be a real pain! I honestly think 40mm makes a better snapshot focal length than 28mm. It's a more direct ratio between seeing and capturing what you saw. It's incredibly neutral, more so than a 35mm which is often said to be a neutral, in-between, neither wide nor normal. To me, 35mm is just a bit wide and 40mm is not wide, but wide enough to get the edges in when you want to.

A lot of the talk around this will be as a street camera, and that's probably true. In the covid world, being free to stay a little further back is a good thing. 28mm makes you get close to people if you want to feature them instead of just including them as an element among many in a frame. 40mm is a better people on the street lens. But it will be a tad harder to point and shoot effectively-framed street photos with the 40mm on such a tiny body, at least until I get used to it. Tiny cameras without much grip (the GR is essentially a bar of soap) aren't that easy to point effectively. A little like shooting a subcompact handgun, for those who have, versus a regular frame handgun like police or military would carry. You may have what feels like a firm grip, but the small amount of real estate means there are just fewer contact points and it's harder to get things lined up perfectly.

I am not primarily wanting this as a street camera, however. The GR has never been my main street camera, even though I have used the GRIII fairly extensively on the street. Even though the snap focus is amazing, and I wish every camera had it, and the inability to easily zone focus on M4/3 is one of my biggest frustrations with the format, I prefer to do it the old-fashioned way, on my Voigtlander with the 35/2.5 lens. There's also something about how classic my olive Bessa-T looks with the silver lens, such that, even though the shutter is loud, people just don't seem to feel threatened by it at all.

No, the GR is about seeing the little details of the world and quickly capturing them, and things like the highlight-weighted metering are a big part of that too. I like to get the subtlety of shadows, something that's harder to do on M4/3 with the limited DR but easy with the GR. I really think the 40mm will make it extra easy to compose these sorts of photos. For anyone who's seen Stephen Shore's earlier work with the Rollei 35, it's that sort of photography (maybe fewer dirty toilets than appeared in American Surfaces) that I want to do, and it's what I had the 28mm GRIII to do as well - except that the 28mm lens is more challenging and, while it forced me to take a better, more thoughtful photo much of the time, it also really interrupted the flow state sometimes.
 

doady

Mu-43 Top Veteran
Joined
May 18, 2020
Messages
632
Location
Canada
I never saw the appeal of Ricoh GR series at all, but that's exactly the product that camera companies should be making, right? Cameras that fill a particular niche instead of trying to appeal to a broad audience. Stop trying to appeal to me. That's the future of the camera industry, including the Micro Four Thirds system.
 

Gromit

Mu-43 Top Veteran
Joined
Mar 27, 2017
Messages
913
Location
Lincoln UK
Real Name
Richard
@agentlossing has totally nailed it, and I really cannot add anything to what he says.

I never truly warmed to the 28mm (equivalent) FoV but I really like 40mm; one reason I love the P20-1.7 so much. In terms of image quality, my GRIII rivals any camera I've owned - the jpeg files (backed up by Pentax imaging science) are staggeringly good.

I'm tempted... very tempted.
 

SVQuant

Shooting by numbers
Joined
Sep 20, 2015
Messages
3,267
Location
SF Bay Area, California, USA
Real Name
Sameer
Having learnt and loved photography on a Rollei B35, this is a camera I want. $1k and the lack of weather proofing are minor knocks against, but so tempting. I'll definitely be looking out for the release.
 
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Messages
5,129
Location
Oregon USA
Real Name
Andrew L
I've had 3 Ricoh GRs.
Amazing little camera.
Bane of the system is dust on the sensor.
My strategy from my most recent GR onwards is to get an extended warranty. I think it was $80 for three years for the GRIII. Worth it to me! Not only will that cover a sensor cleaning but it includes accident protection.

Technically I don't have to rely on the extended warranty for a sensor cleaning until the start of the 3rd year. Year 1 is manufacturer warranty. Year 2 is through my Visa card, which extends the manufacturer warranty out a 2nd year. Year 3, my extended warranty. At any point along the way if I break it, pretty sure that $80 warranty also covers it.
 

frankmulder

Mu-43 Top Veteran
Joined
Jun 8, 2019
Messages
509
More on the GRiiix

Oh wow, the Leica Q2 image at 9:17 really stood out to me. Looks better than the Ricoh. I hope the purpose of the video was not to convince me to buy a camera that is bigger, heavier and 5 times as expensive. :doh::D
 

Latest threads

Links on this page may be to our affiliates. Sales through affiliate links may benefit this site.
Mu-43 is a fan site and not associated with Olympus, Panasonic, or other manufacturers mentioned on this site.
Forum post reactions by Twemoji: https://github.com/twitter/twemoji
Forum GIFs powered by GIPHY: https://giphy.com/
Copyright © Amin Forums, LLC
Top Bottom