I hate people wearing masks

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I like people wearing masks. It does make photography different and often more challenging though. But we're going to get through this - and it will help if we re-acquaint ourselves with caring for each other and considering the common good.
But it will be a photographic feature for at least one more year.
Even if I do wear a mask all the time, even in extreme hot days, SPhotography is not the same. I miss facial expression. I consider it to be kind of a challenge to get "cool pics" at the moment.
 

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Even if I do wear a mask all the time, even in extreme hot days, SPhotography is not the same. I miss facial expression. I consider it to be kind of a challenge to get "cool pics" at the moment.
Yeah, me too. I've found at best I can try to focus on a kind of kinetic, body-language kind of expressiveness in people around me. Hard to find, but satisfying when I do.

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Do you follow them around, or what? It's revealed a lot more dumb-ass comments to me than anything else.
Interesting point - someone who's anti mask as part of a committed identity centred around refusal to understand the germ theory of disease might just be letting go in their pants rather than use a toilet at all, or just letting it cake up and fester without wiping. You can definitely see there being some cross over between people who find wearing a mask emasculating and people who think wiping or washing their bottom will turn them gay.
 

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Interesting point - someone who's anti mask as part of a committed identity centred around refusal to understand the germ theory of disease might just be letting go in their pants rather than use a toilet at all, or just letting it cake up and fester without wiping. You can definitely see there being some cross over between people who find wearing a mask emasculating and people who think wiping or washing their bottom will turn them gay.
Not sure whether to laugh or cry about that link.

I agree with you that personal hygiene is extremely important in all sorts of ways and situations.
 

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Do you follow them around, or what? It's revealed a lot more dumb-ass comments to me than anything else.
You really don't think that people who don't get that masks help prevent the spread of germs might be more likely than most to not see the benefit of hand-washing? I don't know for sure, but sure seems like piggsy is using common sense.
 
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You really don't think that people who don't get that masks help prevent the spread of germs might be more likely than most to not see the benefit of hand-washing? I don't know for sure, but sure seems like piggsy is using common sense.
I think they're two different issues. That's because I follow the science, and not the hysteria.

Unless you're wearing a medical grade mask, and changing it for a new or clean one every thirty minutes, and washing your hands every time you turn around, you're accomplishing nothing but virtue signalling.
 

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I think they're two different issues. That's because I follow the science, and not the hysteria.

Unless you're wearing a medical grade mask, and changing it for a new or clean one every thirty minutes, and washing your hands every time you turn around, you're accomplishing nothing but virtue signalling.
Sorry, but this is not true, Dave.

As long as any mask is "sterilized" by being over 40°C for a short period this will kill the COVID-19 virus. This can be achieved by e.g. leaving the mask in a car parked in the sun in Australia.

Even a relatively dirty mask largely prevents transmission from an infected person by limiting or preventing droplet and aerosols on exhalation or coughing.

And I do wear medical grade masks (P2/N95), due to being particularly at risk due to age and multiple medical problems (chronic asthma, multiple heart problems). It is possible that I will not be able to be vaccinated at all, due to a history of atypical and bad reactions to vaccines. I will be advised by my specialists on this. I already know that my GP will not vaccinate me.

There is plenty of misinformation out there about COVID-19. Please do not add to it.
 

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I think they're two different issues. That's because I follow the science, and not the hysteria.

Unless you're wearing a medical grade mask, and changing it for a new or clean one every thirty minutes, and washing your hands every time you turn around, you're accomplishing nothing but virtue signalling.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/types-of-masks.html

Your statement is equally ridiculous and false. Endless doctors have spoken to the science about this. Sad and disappointing.
 

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I'm pretty sure people want to hear one more defense of mask wearing just about as much as they want to hear one more opinion on masks not being effective. There isn't a single thing left to say that we haven't all heard, let's just call it a day.
 

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Well, for some folks (an inordinate amount of my own citizens,) "follow the science" is very akin to "listening to the voices". :drinks:

It's rare in my country these days to be able to talk about Public Health with anyone. Personal freedom has sadly "overstepped the bounds of moderation" and has quickly added to the woes of the bonds that once drove a great nation to some really great things. But, we'll find our way home eventually.
 

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I'm pretty sure people want to hear one more defense of mask wearing just about as much as they want to hear one more opinion on masks not being effective. There isn't a single thing left to say that we haven't all heard, let's just call it a day.
Hear here!! I am also reminded that this is a new virus and the knowledge changes every day. How do you form a clear picture of a moving object? What's the mental/emotional equivalent of panning?
 

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I'm pretty sure people want to hear one more defense of mask wearing just about as much as they want to hear one more opinion on masks not being effective. There isn't a single thing left to say that we haven't all heard, let's just call it a day.
That's great, but I don't think accepting ridiculous BS is really a good thing to do. It might be "nice" in the moment to avoid conflict, but look where it's gotten us. I think the opposite is needed, actually. This isn't a debate about whether protective filters are worthwhile. 500,000 people dead. Ask our Australian friends about how many lives they've lost. Way smaller population, obviously, but even in major cities they've made us look pathetic. Good on ya fellas.
 

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As a NZer who works in a ward which takes flu patients .... last year flu presentations were way down, which can only be due to the measures that we took for covid 19. Increased hand washing, social distancing and mask wearing. A big lesson in basic cross infection measures with a positive outcome.
According to WHO and CDC it was due to the lack of travel.
 

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Hear here!! I am also reminded that this is a new virus and the knowledge changes every day. How do you form a clear picture of a moving object? What's the mental/emotional equivalent of panning?
I don't know, but I think that is not a tough question. You listen to the science with a willingness to adapt as things change. You don't lock in on any one position and refuse to consider the best and most current information from reliable sources.
 

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That's great, but I don't think accepting ridiculous BS is really a good thing to do. It might be "nice" in the moment to avoid conflict, but look where it's gotten us. I think the opposite is needed, actually. This isn't a debate about whether protective filters are worthwhile. 500,000 people dead. Ask our Australian friends about how many lives they've lost. Way smaller population, obviously, but even in major cities they've made us look pathetic. Good on ya fellas.
Thanks.

Australia has about 1/17th of the population of the USA, mainly in our 4 biggest cities.

We have less than 1/500th of the death toll, with practically none in the last 3 months.

And yes, I get sick of this BS too. ANY mask is better at preventing aerosol spread than no mask, even if that mask is filthy.

Good old soap and water breaks down the virus phospholipid coating in about 30 seconds. Alcohol based sanitisers take around 60 seconds.
 

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I don't know, but I think that is not a tough question. You listen to the science with a willingness to adapt as things change. You don't lock in on any one position and refuse to consider the best and most current information from reliable sources.
Dr. Fauci:

"Masks don't work, don't buy them."
(we now know this was a lie in an attempt to save masks for healthcare workers)
"Masks protect others."
"Masks don't do much at all, but it helps us all feel like we're in this together."
"Masks protect you from others."
"Wear two masks."

Is that an evolution of the science? If masks work so well, why is it during normal times every doctor, nurse, assistant, and clerical worker in every Drs. office in the world don't wear them every day, and yet don't fall ill with every malaise that walks through their door?
 
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