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How do you check critical focus and image sharpness "in the field"?

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by Jay86, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. Jay86

    Jay86 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 26, 2012
    Ok, so I have been out n' about now thats its spring and been shooting mostly street stuff. I recently made my switch to Olympus and have yet to log serious hours with my E-M5 "in the field" but one thing I HATE is that I lost a shot that I otherwise could have re-taken while in the moment if I had just checked critical focus and image sharpness right away. So of course to check when reviewing the image on the back LCD screen I use the zoom feature on the focus point.

    What Im wondering here is what zoom level do you EM-5 folks (or any M43 shooters really) usually use to determine wether the image is likely sharp and critical focus has been achieved: 2x, 3x, 5x, 7x, 10x, 14x?

    I know this might sound like bit of a silly question really, but different zoom levels on the back of your screen show you different things. At some zoom levels is looks unacceptable and some its looks acceptable. Question is what zoom level check equates to a sharp/critical focus on your computer screen or print later on.
     
  2. Yohan Pamudji

    Yohan Pamudji Mu-43 Veteran

    462
    Jun 21, 2012
    Mississippi, USA
    5x works for me. 7x and it starts looking like more than 100% zoom, but 5x - 7x is probably about right. 10x and it really starts looking wrong. Note that this is with an E-M5 shooting RAW. Maybe if shooting JPG or RAW+JPG it would use the full size JPG when reviewing images and you could zoom in more, but shooting just RAW means it uses the embedded JPG which isn't full size so you can't zoom in as much. That's the theory anyway--I'm a RAW-only guy.
     
  3. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    Yes, if you want the best quality preview, you have to shoot LF JPEGs. Either in JPEG only mode, or in RAW+JPEG mode. That said, even with LF JPEGs, nothing looks good at 10x or higher. I suspect a better sharpening algorithm in the JPEG engine could make 10x useful, but that's something which is hard to upgrade.
     
  4. Jay86

    Jay86 Mu-43 Veteran

    477
    Dec 26, 2012
    ^^^ Yah thats about where Im zooming into as well... 5-7x area on RAW. I guess I was in the ballpark then. Because 10x-14x looks bad on lcd screen.
     
  5. Zee

    Zee Mu-43 Top Veteran

    I pray.

    Z...
     
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  6. laser8

    laser8 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 29, 2013
    Mare nostrum, Istria
    Me too. I have been deceived so many times that until I see it on a proper screen, it's all wishes.
     
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  7. Zee

    Zee Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Yup, same. I've seen shots on the back LCD that look soft, and was shocked (in a good way) to see them tac sharp in Lightroom. And then, there is the more common reverse issue...

    Looks great on the LCD, but then...

    Z...
     
  8. drd1135

    drd1135 Zen Snapshooter

    Mar 17, 2011
    Southwest Virginia
    Steve
    My very thought.
     
  9. christofp

    christofp Mu-43 Regular

    138
    Jul 21, 2012
    I have disabled instant review because the 1 second blackout/review would disturb me.

    But I review quite often in the field when action is over. 5x or 7x magnification is roughly 100% or 1:1 pixel view.

    You will not gain anything (unless you have bad eyes) if you go to 10x or 14x magnification.
     
  10. gr8Shot

    gr8Shot Mu-43 Regular

    99
    Nov 13, 2013
    I don't - and sometimes I regret it.

    The problem is: the LCD - magnified or not - does not help me enough to be sure. When I accidentally engage the @#$%^&* manual focusing clutch on my 12-40 lens, I am usually disappointed when I get home.
     
  11. Fmrvette

    Fmrvette This Space For Rent

    May 26, 2012
    Detroit, Michigan
    Jim
    Like Gr8Shot, I don't.

    I couldn't in the olden days of film and have never started the practice in the new age of digital.

    Regards,

    Jim
     
  12. jnewell

    jnewell Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 23, 2011
    Boston, MA
    The hardware and software issues don't give me any confidence that this is possible...so I don't try to check critical focus until I get back to a computer.
     
  13. My Canon 50D and 500D both had high-res LCDs that allowed you to zoom in close to an image to check sharpness. I was somewhat disappointed with my first Micro 4/3 cameras (E-P1, GH1, E-PL1) that would allow you to zoom in up to a point but after that would just interpolate the image at the higher magnifications and not show any more detail. At least now my E-M5 and E-P5 let me zoom further in and still show detail. They're both sufficient to check an image in the field for sharpness, motion blur, and the point of focus. I've always shot full-res jpegs alongside raw files since they have a few practical advantages like this.
     
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  14. DigitalD

    DigitalD Mu-43 Top Veteran

    505
    Jan 10, 2014
    Miami
    David
    I'm on the fence. Some days I check some days not. Definitely more when shooting MF but I try to just check a few times at the beginning just so I can see that I'm capturing what focus I think I'm getting. A sort of self calibration and then I try to stop. 100% crop is my recko. Especially on the large EM5 and EM1 display. I also love the touchscreen for panning around to check oof areas as well ;)
     
  15. dav1dz

    dav1dz Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 6, 2012
    Canada
    I wish that LCD was better, but they aren't. Zooming in and check faces really quickly usually does the trick but it's a pain in the ass. So I just hope the camera focused properly. Deep depth of field when in doubt! LOL
     
  16. Itchybiscuit

    Itchybiscuit Photon Mangler

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    Dec 10, 2013
    Glasgow, Scotland
    Ivor
    I find it to be a balance - some shots look great but I've picked the wrong point of focus in shallow DoF, or sometimes I get a 2-fer when a framing reference appears to be on the same plane as the primary focus - I just didn't catch it initially at the point of capture.

    This one illustrates my point with the blades of leaf helping things along:
    Orchid2.
     
  17. Bif

    Bif Mu-43 Veteran

    380
    May 28, 2012
    San Angelo TX
    Bruce Foreman
    I mostly do it as I shoot (time permitting). I have the button next to the PLAY button (AEL/AFL) set for autofocus and have the shutter autofocus set to OFF. I also set autofocus for SAF + MF ASSIST. So one button press does a quick autofocus and focus lock, turning the manual focus ring causes the magnified assist to "kick in" (usually set to 5 or 7) and I can quickly check focus or refine it and "nail" it. Touching the shutter button puts me back to normal view and I can take the picture.

    I use the EVF for this, it has better resolution than the LCD.

    My primary cameras are Panasonic (GH3 and GX7). The focus "lock" (allowing a return to manual focus) remains until the AEL/AFL button is pressed again. On the E-M5 I believe focus "lock" is released on taking the picture although the AEL/AFL button can be pressed at any time to refocus with AFS.

    It took some practice to get it down and the extremely small button on the E-M5 didn't help but I keep it that way because it allows me the use of both autofocus and manual focus at will without having to change focus modes in a menu.