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Has anyone figured out 720p 60fps video on the OM-D?

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by trandg, Apr 12, 2013.

  1. trandg

    trandg Mu-43 Regular

    61
    Sep 24, 2012
    Toronto
    David
    I'd like to shoot some slow mo sequences on the OM-D but having trouble figuring it out. I read that it's not possible, but that it was supposed to - any feedback?
     
  2. owczi

    owczi nareteV 34-uM

    Don't quote me on this because I can't recall the source of this info but as far as I remember it does not do "true" 60fps. It runs 30fps in a 60fps container i.e. 60fps with double frames. I don't think the E-M5 is useful for slow motion.

    Update:

    Here: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/omd-em5/omd-em5VIDEO.HTM it says that the full HD is recorded in interlaced 60fps AVCHD, but when running at 720p you can select between AVCHD which will supposedly give you full 60fps progressive scan, or motion JPEG in which case it's 30fps only.

    One way to find out - import the video and test / look at the frames.
     
  3. klee

    klee Mu-43 Veteran

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    Mar 20, 2013
    Houston, TX
    Kevin
    super helpful. thanks!
     
  4. klee

    klee Mu-43 Veteran

    367
    Mar 20, 2013
    Houston, TX
    Kevin
    Is this what you were talking about? VLC says my AVC(MOV) 1280x720p movie has a 29.97 fps frame rate.
     

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  5. sgreszcz

    sgreszcz Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 7, 2012
    I only see 29.97 in final cut x too. Disappointing really, as it is marketed as 720p/60.
     
  6. holmes6

    holmes6 New to Mu-43

    2
    Jan 22, 2012
    720p fine

    Code:
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    Encoded date                   : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
    Tagged date                    : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
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    Video
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    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.199
    Stream size                    : 8.88 MiB (75%)
    Language                       : Japanese
    Encoded date                   : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
    Tagged date                    : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
    Color primaries                : BT.601 NTSC
    Transfer characteristics       : BT.601
    Matrix coefficients            : BT.601
    
    Audio
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    Format settings, Endianness    : Little
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    Language                       : Japanese
    Encoded date                   : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
    Tagged date                    : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
    
    1080 fine
    Code:
    General
    Complete name                  : I:\DCIM\100OLYMP\P1010037.MOV
    Format                         : MPEG-4
    Format profile                 : QuickTime
    Codec ID                       : qt  
    File size                      : 7.24 MiB
    Duration                       : 4s 4ms
    Overall bit rate mode          : Variable
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    Encoded date                   : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
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    Video
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    Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
    Frame rate mode                : Constant
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    Bit depth                      : 8 bits
    Scan type                      : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.205
    Stream size                    : 6.09 MiB (84%)
    Language                       : Japanese
    Encoded date                   : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
    Tagged date                    : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
    Color primaries                : BT.601 NTSC
    Transfer characteristics       : BT.601
    Matrix coefficients            : BT.601
    
    Audio
    ID                             : 2
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    Format settings, Endianness    : Little
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    Bit rate mode                  : Constant
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    Channel(s)                     : 2 channels
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    Language                       : Japanese
    Encoded date                   : UTC 2012-01-01 00:00:00
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  7. mirrorless

    mirrorless Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 16, 2013
    Guys, it's not to late to change your vote for the GH3 as "king of mirrorless" :D
     
  8. M4/3

    M4/3 Mu-43 Top Veteran

    713
    Sep 24, 2011
    If you want to shoot slow mo (720p/60fps) you need a Panasonic GH3, FZ200 or LX7 and in doing so you sacrifice the OMD's 5 axis image stabilization and sacrifice Olympus colors.

    For me those sacrifices are too much to give up. So for slo mo work I used the cheap LX7 ($300-350) and have no interest in getting the GH3 as I don't like Panasonic colors.
     
  9. mirrorless

    mirrorless Mu-43 Regular

    108
    Feb 16, 2013
    False. You can use software to slow down, speed up, whatever you like. It's better to do this in post because you can keep the original footage in real-time.
    You don't like Panasonic colors? If you learn how to use software, you won't be stuck on one particular brand of camera because you like the way a jpeg looks. That's just plain silly.
     
  10. Hunter5117

    Hunter5117 Mu-43 Regular

    25
    Apr 25, 2010
    Well sure you can but slow down to half speed and you only have 15 fps which is going to get noticed worse if you want real slow. With 60fps you have so many more frames to work with your slow motion footage you can keep the frame rate in sync with the rest of your footage. Everyone really wants 1080 @ 60 or even 120 fps.
     
  11. teddoman

    teddoman Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 22, 2013
    nyc
    The LX7 actually has a 120 fps mode but it's a creative control or something, so there's none of the normal manual controls.
     
  12. mirrorless

    mirrorless Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 16, 2013
    The OMD doesn't do 60 fps. It's video is interlaced. It's only capable of 30 fps. The OMD is not a video camera it's a camera that does video. Be warned, if you want decent video with 60fps+, you'll need to buy something else.
     
  13. Reflex439

    Reflex439 Mu-43 Rookie

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    Jun 2, 2010
    Boston MA
    Stephen Faust
    You want a high frame rate for slow motion to keep the silky smooth motion and image quality. If you use 30fps and slow it down to 25%, it will be very choppy and the footage degraded. But if you took 120fps and slowed it down the same percentage, it will be silky smooth and high quality. High speed cameras exist for this purpose, and which is why professionals use high frame rates for slow motion.

    Many people shoot JPEG because they don't want to have to process images like they would if they shot RAW. A cameras 'JPEG look' is therefore important to those people. If they wanted to post processing Panasonic JPEGS to look like Olympus, why not just shoot RAW? Better yet, why not just by the Olympus! The convenience of downloading JPEGs right out of the camera that match the look you like and appreciate is a a big plus. Enough to sway many from one manufacturer to another if they shoot a lot of JPEG images. I process all my work images as RAW, but find its really nice to be able to pickup my persona E-M5, shoot JPEGS, and get an image quality I am very happy with without ever running it through processing. The Olympus look was therefore important in my decision for my personal camera. 100% of my Canon and Hasselblad files go through processing, where maybe 5-10% of my E-M5 personal stuffs gets processed.

    Sage advise. The best tool for the job is one designed for that purpose. I like having the ability to shoot video from my E-M5, but don't expect it to act like a real video camera. Its missing too much, like professional audio inputs, waveform monitor, peaking, formats, etc, etc. But as a quick video grab of something that interests me, it sure beats carrying a still and a video camera everywhere I go :)
     
  14. Ross the fiddler

    Ross the fiddler Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    You've left out the Olympus Stylus 1. It does 720/120 fps & 720/240 fps if desired. I think I might have a little fun with it if I can get my dogs to 'play ball' (that is, go or come where & when I need them to & be in focus) so I can get some lovely 'slow running to me' movie clips