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GX7 or E-PL7?

Discussion in 'This or That? (MFT only)' started by Darren Bonner, Dec 9, 2014.

  1. Darren Bonner

    Darren Bonner Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 1, 2013
    Poole UK
    I was thinking of replacing my G5 & E-PL5 with a GX7 and maybe buy a LX100 as well, but I read elsewhere someone else's experience with the E-PL7 with the VF4 who isn't a brand loyalist.
    I could purchase the E-PL7 with the 14-42EZ lens and not bother with the LX100. I am use to both menus so that is not a problem. Both cameras have:
    Flip up screen
    Focus peaking
    IBIS
    These three features are the most important to me. The GX7 has the EVF built in, but the VF4 performance is on a different level so I've read.
    I take photo's of a wide range of subjects, but one area I do want to specialised in for 2015 is to photograph bands playing. These will be taken mostly at night in bars and clubs. I have reasonably good success taking these type of photographs using an E-PL5 and GM1 using a P14 and most recently PL15. I wonder if the E-PL7 3 axis IBIS would help more in this kind of shooting situation.
    I shoot 99% RAW so I am not really interested in JPEGS.
    The lens I have are in my signature list.
    Which out of these two cameras would you choose and why?
     
  2. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, CA
    I'd go with the E-PL7. The 3-axis IBIS and high ISO settings of that camera will yield more keepers. I had the GX7, and in low light I just felt the E-M10 did better. My only issue though is the VF-4 while nice, is a big appendage on an otherwise streamlined Pen body. It's a pain having to stuff it in a bag, whereas my E-M10 just slips more easily into small spaces. I'm not really a fan of the Olympus implementation of focus peaking. I actually reverted to using the keyline filter hack using the myset option. My issue is the focus peaking slows EVF response, while the keyline filter implementation doesn't.

    My ideal camera would be a GX7 body with the VF-4 EVF and 5/3 axis IBIS!
     
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  3. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    I personally think the handling is the trump card, and for me it's better on the GX7 than on the E-PL7 (or even E-M5/10), but that's a personal choice. I could see the 3-axis IBIS on the E-PL7 doing slightly better in bad light, though you'd need to be very careful to avoid motion blur since you're photographing people (unless you want it).

    The VF4 is a great viewfinder, but it's expensive and adds a big appendage to the camera. Focus peaking and magnify is also implemented much better on the GX7, if that's a priority for you. Having only black or white peaking on Olympus bodies is actually a bit of a dealbreaker for me.
     
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  4. Ricoh

    Ricoh Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 2, 2013
    UK
    Steve
    Darren,
    I recently bought a GX7 based on the reports I read stating it handles the P7-14 better than Olympus brand. Based on a number of test shots I've taken, some extremely challenging for any wide angle, let alone an ultra wide, I think the reports we're correct.
    I also find the user interface satisfying, the menu quite good, but one or two down sides are the relatively short battery life, and the histogram is nowhere as good as on Olympus.
    Steve.
     
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  5. drd1135

    drd1135 Zen Snapshooter

    Mar 17, 2011
    Southwest Virginia
    Steve
    This is tough. The PL7 IBIS is probably better. OTOH, the GX7 has an EVF and that's huge in bright light. I'd lean toward the GX7.
     
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  6. Darren Bonner

    Darren Bonner Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 1, 2013
    Poole UK
    Thanks for the interesting replies, I'm leaning towards my original decision.
     
  7. sgreszcz

    sgreszcz Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 7, 2012
    Yep, I'm looking forward to see what the gx7 replacement will be when it comes.

    I also agree that Olympus' focus peaking is slow/laggy (compare to my Panasonic lx100) and I like panasonic picture-in-picture magnification better for manual focusing.

    I disagree with the vf4 being a pain as it is easy to detach and put in a pocket and attach when needed. I used It like that all the time on my ep5 and now on my epm2.

    Also Olympus histogram is much more useful than Panasonic, especially when it overlays a histogram of the focus area over the overall histogram.

    I thought my ep5 focused fast until I started using the lx100. It is instantaneous!
     
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  8. Steven

    Steven Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 25, 2012
    USA
    I only have the Gx7 but from what I understand image quality is about the same as recent Olympus sensors.
    Do you care about video? Panasonic has better codec but Olympus has the nice stabilization. How's the microphone on that Epl? I know Panasonic built-in mics are good and don't break up and crackle in loud events like concert s, but I heard Olympus is not so good .
     
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  9. edwardconde

    edwardconde Mu-43 All-Pro

    Nov 8, 2012
    Los Angeles, CA
    I use to have a GX7 and sold it… I just bought a GX7 again… I dig the handling(Grip is awesome). The touch focusing on the LCD. Silent shutter and the Dynamic Monochrome preset! I used this at night and had no issues. The 2 axis was good enough. I also own a EP5 with the VF4… Dig that camera too.. The epl7 will be smaller than the gx7.. so if you need something with a good grip i say GX7! Plus they are $497 right now! Use the extra money and get a lens!
     
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  10. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, CA
    Unfortunately he's in the UK! :wink:
     
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  11. edwardconde

    edwardconde Mu-43 All-Pro

    Nov 8, 2012
    Los Angeles, CA
    Well that bites. Sorry mate!
     
  12. Darren Bonner

    Darren Bonner Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 1, 2013
    Poole UK
    Thanks for the replies, I leaning towards my original decision to get a GX7. In the UK the GX7 has come down in price and it is cheaper than the E-PL7 + EVF and the EM10.
     
  13. Ramsey

    Ramsey Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 9, 2013
    Zagreb, Croatia
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  14. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, CA
    Since the OP asked specifically about low light shooting, that's why I voted for the E-PL7. I really think Olympus excels in this area. If he asked which to choose for general shooting, I'd probably vote for the GX7 due to form factor and other handling aspects. Either choice is fine though and will probably come down more to photographer's skill and image processing abilities! :wink:
     
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  15. Darren Bonner

    Darren Bonner Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 1, 2013
    Poole UK
    The person who swayed my thoughts on which of the two cameras to get has given me this reply:

    Hi Darren. "It depends" would be my answer I think! If you're mainly using AF lenses then the GX7 might be the better option as it is more customisable, has more features and I really like the colour fidelity of it - what I get looks pretty much like what I saw even up in the higher ISOs (dynamic range still falls of course). But if you have non-stabilised lenses then the E-PL7 is really good at steadying them. You have to apply the best handholding technique you can of course but it really is impressive. Also the frame rate on the Oly is a lot higher and the shutter is quieter. If you love your E-PL5 at all then the E-PL7 is a really good step up. Oh and the VF-4 has to be tried to be believed - it's excellent. I'd recommend trying both if you can though, before committing one way or the other.

    I think this is a fair answer, plenty to think about.
     
  16. tino84

    tino84 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 29, 2013
    hi, e-pl7 has the same sensor as my e-pl5, so raw would be the same.
    I shooted a pic with gx7 and e-pl5, raw converted in jpeg with digikam (with auto color correction, due to uv filter in gx7)
    I think high iso is way better than e-plx (both pics are 6400 iso, 1/6sec f3.5)
    (PS: now I noticed it, but maybe I didn't focused the same, with gx7 only centered, and e-pl5 on the entire frame, so take good only the center of image..)

    e-pl5
    ENR00015_v2.

    gx7
    P1100067_v2.
     
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  17. Darren Bonner

    Darren Bonner Mu-43 All-Pro

    May 1, 2013
    Poole UK
    Thank you all for the replies, the E-PL5 has now gone and the G5 will be put up for sale after Christmas. I have bought the GX7 as a replacement for these two cameras. I went for the GX7 for a number of different reasons best suited to my needs and from what I want from a camera.
     
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