Cameta has a great price on the 17mm pancake lens. There is no box but it is brand new with a warranty. I ordered one just before xmas with free shipping. Should be here next week. Here's the link - Olympus M.Zuiko 17mm f/2.8 Micro ED Digital Zoom Lens (Black) - NEW (NO Original Box) At $199 its hard to purchase a used one for about the same price. I'm guessing the used prices will be dropping to $150.