Going Public on the Web

the other way to look at it is that if you use a very common user name, like Fred or Bill, there are so many that no-one really knows who is who

 

If it's any minor consolation, I would never put my faith in those "doctor review" sites. That said, if you can do something helpful and worthwhile by "going public" then by all means do so. I'll look forward to it, Amin. :smile:

 

Welcome to my world Amin... just don't upset any bunny boilers - or they'll make it their mission to assassinate your character

Cheers

Brian

 

Amin,
If you were the doctor who rides a Harley,
this would not have happened.

Can't you at least get the ISP of the poster?
The site should provide that.....

 

Don, send the Harley boys around to pay a visit

 

character assassination, along with political assassination is one of the misused tools of these , our dark times . i say find out who the _____ is and ............

 

now, now, we live in a democratic world, don't we

Amin, just find out who he is and "operate" on him

 

Interestingly I already share my name with TWO other professional photographers

Actually make that FOUR

 

Find them and sell their kidneys on eBay!

 

just dont use paypal!

 

There's always reciprocation...

Start a site where doctors can review their patients, www.patientssuck.com is free : )

Name : Jean T Baker
Location : Middleton
General health :
Sexual health :
Paranoia :
Hypochondria :
Life expectancy :
click here view/leave personal observations

Heh, okay... maybe not : )


-Gary

edit: The name above was generated randomly by myself, if this DOES happen to be your name/location then I probably mean the OTHER Jean T Baker from the OTHER Middleton ; )

 

Hi Amin,

Thanks for sharing. I kind of know how you feel, my family runs a long-established Chinese restaurant, which has been doing good honest business for 20 years. Recently one of our staff told us that someone had anonymously left a review on a restaurant review website. The review completely ignores mentioning our service or what our food tastes like and only says that we "re-use" food unfinished by customers and re-serve it (which is totally untrue and very off putting and probably against some kind of health and safety regulation). Anyone could have written it and perhaps they have something against us for example racism or perhaps they're one of our competitors?

Until now we've pretty much ignored that review, but your entry here has inspired me to act - I think your idea of letting the good stuff drown out the bad's brilliant and I'll ask our real customers to review us.

 

@VinceChu

IANALB...

Unlike Amins case, your review is not mere opinion but rather an alleged statement of fact. Not only that, but it is almost certainly libellous and clearly damaging.

I would suggest contacting the review site and demanding (politely but firmly) that they take it down or at least suspend it immediately as it does not constitute opinion and that all the time it remains it is causing your company quantifiable damages.

Further state that if they refuse to take down or suspend the review you shall have no alternative but to assume that they have an identifiable source to demonstate their own lack of liability. In such case you will refer the matter to your legal counsel with a view to entering a subpoena against themselves for records, and a further john doe subpoena against such records in order to identify the reviewer and establish culpability.

If no identifiable source exists the review publishing site could be held responsible for the damages.

Further, due to the nature of the review (being an unsubstantiated damaging statement of fact rather than a reviewers opinion) they may even be liable for damages as a result of a failure to suspend or remove the unsubstantiated and offending review within a reasonable time after notification.

Then, just to punctuate things, finish with a clear formal notification of the issue.

Consider this your notification:

The review you have published is incorrect, unsubstantiated and, we assert, constitutes a deliberately false and damaging statement. Our restaurant maintains high standards in the preparation and storage of food and obeys all laws and regulations including regular health and safety visits. Indeed, passing such inspections is a strict requirement of our license to prepare food for public consumption.

We therefore strongly recommend that you immediately remove or suspend this review until such time as the claims can be independently substantiated by yourselves -or- the reviewer can be legally identified and called to account. It is our understanding that failure to do so may render yourselves liable for further damages as publisher.

Please note that we understand the value of public review and are not against the honest public review of our establishment regardless of whether the reviewers impressions are positive or negative. Indeed, a poor review is valuable to us as we take great pains to identify areas where we can improve our already outstanding service. However, we feel that, in this case, the offending item hardly constitutes a fair and unbiased review or even a clients opinion but rather libellous falsehoods presented as statements of fact and issued with clear intent to cause damage.

As a valued and professional industry reviewer we call for your co-operation in an expedient resolution to this matter, and remove the item pending substantiation.

Insert the proprietors name, business contact number, address, etc.

Then... Follow up immediately. Contact them by telephone (check the Domain Name Registrar for Registrant Information) politely recap and ask for their legal contact. Keep it friendly and upbeat. They may not have a legal department but it is sufficiently worrying to them that you have taken this beyond mere email correspondence and may be preparing the ground for a possible legal action. In this call confirm receipt of the email, and confirm their correspondence address is as listed in the domains registration info. You may wish to send a registered letter to them containing the email text exactly, again, this establishes that may be positioning to take the matter to court should it become necessary (by formalising your correspondence). The letter can be important because some sites will not act without hardcopy, so get it sent.

I can pretty much garauntee that the offending review will be quickly pulled... probably before they even get the hard copy of the complaint.


Cost? Typically half an hour of your time and one registered envelope ; )


-Gary

PS If they refuse to take it down and say the review will stand unless you take the matter to court for records and act against the reviewer - don't fret. There is a free and rather sneaky little trick which pretty much forces them to take down the item as it throws the liability squarely into their hands. In fact, it is virtually garaunteed that they will act on their own initiative and no lawyers are required... PM me about this if you like.

 

Amin, I wouldn't worry too much about that one review. People can usually tell useful advice from terrible advice. But I like your idea of flooding the internet with your real name, and of asking patients to review you.

You could do as GaryCh suggests, and you'd be morall/ethically justified in doing so. But I suspect you would be wasting time and emotional energy that you could otherwise dedicate to your patients...and your photography!

EDIT: I found that review. It's nothing, forget it. It's obvious some random troll, and your response to the comment completely exonerates you. I really wouldn't give this another thought. Plus, you have to click through all kinds of crap to get to it!

 

Well, just be thankful your name isn't John Holmes.

Bokeh D

 

I would happily entrust my glands to you, Amin.

 

I agree, it is unlikely to work in Amin's case. But 'emotional energy' ? You don't have to fume and rant while typing, nor cry down the phone at them. Emotional cost is only ever what you make it.

Complaints do work though, particularly in an increasingly litagous world... I've used cut and paste DMCA takedown notices and less solidly founded complaints in other circumstances and most of the time they don't want the hassle... though to seperate it from the general email noise you really need to follow up by phone to confirm receipt, ask for a legal contact and confirm registration contact addresses.

It's a hassle for them too... to find out their exact legal footing in this particular circumstance and justify standing by it... especially since they have no obligation to publish individual comments anyway.

Path of least cost/resistance/uncertainty? Easy, pull the item. They have nothing invested in keeping it.


Regardless, there are other ways (even if they refuse) which are time efficient, more direct, don't present you as antagonist and pretty much force their action. All without getting het up or emotional.

But, always try a firm knock on their door first, most people are reasonable and when they see a genuine cause for complaint will fall on the side of common sense.


Another approach, answer the charge publicly... Let's say the reviewer is "Mr Jones"...

I'm Mr. Chu of Mr. Chu's restaurant. Sometimes restaurants cannot compete with us on cost and quality so they resort to dirty tricks. It is unfortunate but it does mean that we must be doing something right. Whilst we cannot be 100% sure the above review is from a competitor we're happy our customers just keep coming back. So, to celebrate - anyone coming to Chu's restuarant before 16th June will get a free starter with their order if they say "Mr Jones recommended me" when booking : ) Why? Well, we think quality food speaks for itself.

... and turn it into a promotion! Yay!


-Gary