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Discussion in 'Micro 4/3 News and Rumors' started by Bill Gordon, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. Bill Gordon

    Bill Gordon Mu-43 Top Veteran

    This forum mu-43.com started out great. Great information, great discussion, great moderators (that is/was important). Since its' inception I have thoroughly enjoyed the information that I have gleaned from the postings, I have and continue to enjoy the fellowship between the participants. I have notice that other forums are being added to the mix that seem to have many of the same people participating and I wonder to myself out loud why....why do people wander all over the map conversing about the same subject(s) and getting much the same answers. If I may use the term"love"...well that is my feeling about Amins' efforts to produce this site and the capable people that help him to tend to it. Why, oh why, is there any need for more forums. Yes, I signed up on the new ones only to see what they had to offer and I find it unnecessary to continue with the others. Let us all together make this the only and I say only good forum for the mu-4/3rds concept of cameras. Quality surpasses quantity!!
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  2. RonSmith

    RonSmith Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Apr 7, 2010
    I agree with you Bill. From what I have seen, this is THE :43: forum.
  3. pxpaulx

    pxpaulx Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 19, 2010
    Regarding the new one that opened this week - I am a pentax user, and it is owned by the pentax forums owner (which is a forum I use on a regular basis!), so I also want to support that forum because I am a part of their other community. You also dont get 100% overlap, so there are different users as well that might not also make their way here. Each forum will live or die on its' own merits, I think there is room for both personally!
  4. Brian Mosley

    Brian Mosley Administrator Emeritus

    Dec 15, 2009
    Hi Bill,

    we set out to create a home for m4/3rds here... a true community of people focused on photography, who share the joy of using the m4/3rds system.

    Every day I come to share my time with people here - people I am getting to know, like and trust and I think it's such a special place to be... :friends:

    At the same time, I like to keep informed about new technology, interesting systems and features... but not necessarily with the same sense of community we've built here - that means browsing around a bit - and sometimes bringing back new ideas for discussion with my friends here.

    Some people have precious little time to trawl around the other forums and sites - I hope that we can continue to create the richest, most friendly experience for them here. :smile:


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  5. Amin Sabet

    Amin Sabet Administrator

    Apr 10, 2009
    Boston, MA (USA)
    Hi Bill,

    I don't think any of the new forums can replace or even diminish what we have going here. Mu-43 is a place for Micro 4/3 photography, and none of the new forums are trying to be that. Forums which spans many brands and systems will have a different feel and usually a different balance of emphasis on gear and photography.

    For sure what we have all created here is very special, and I appreciate your calling attention to that!
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  6. qball

    qball Mu-43 Regular

    Jun 19, 2010
    Group hug!
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  7. Ulfric M Douglas

    Ulfric M Douglas Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 6, 2010
    :smile: ... and that fourthirds forum 'looks' absolutely awful!
  8. soundimageplus

    soundimageplus Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Feb 2, 2010
    Would you be happy if there was only one car we could all drive? One variety of apple? How about one political party we could all vote for? I'm sure the Chinese government would argue that their political philosophy is "quality over quantity" and that there isn't any need for another point of view.

    Whether or not you choose to contribute to or participate in other forums is your choice. Whether you feel this is a better forum than others that spring up is again your opinion and your decision.

    In the country that I live in, I appreciate that choice and the ability to express my opinion. I also appreciate having the opportunity to wander the internet where I choose and to assess what I find there and come to my own decision as to what I want to view and participate in. I do this with the knowledge that not everybody in the world has the same access that I do.

    We all have our personal preferences and if you are happy with this forum, thats great. If it serves your purposes, provides you with the answers that you want and you are comfortable with the people who are here, then thats great too. But to say "why is there any need for more forums?" strikes me as a strange point of view.

    Why is there any need for more photographs?
    Why is there any need for more books?
    Why is there any need for more music?

    Don't we have enough of these things already? Some might think we do.

    To express an opinion as to whether one place of discussion on the internet is preferable is perfectly legitimate, but to suggest that its a good idea to narrow down the options that are available to us is not an idea that I would ever subscribe to in any way shape or form.

    I have no knowledge of any other specific m4/3 forum, and like you I'm happy to spend time here and the other places that I frequent regularly during my "internet time" but I would never attempt to criticise or discourage anyone who felt the desire to explore other alternatives.

    Whether the other forum is similar, has the same members or deals with the same issues is immaterial to me. If it attracts large numbers of people then it will succeed, if it doesn't it won't. To me that is the great virtue of the internet. If it offers us anything, it offers us the opportunity to create and participate in places where we can share our enthusiasms and interests with other like minded people from around the world. To say that there should be only one place where that can happen and that all other attempts to create a "community" are superfluous and imitative strikes me as somewhat odd to say the least.
  9. Djarum

    Djarum Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Dec 15, 2009
    Huntsville, AL, USA
    Sadly, I've been out of the loop for a bit. Work has been tieing me up lately, and honestly, I haven't been doing much photography(shame on me!).

    I'm not sure what this is in reference to?
  10. bilzmale

    bilzmale Mu-43 All-Pro

    I have recently cut ties with two 4/3 forums that I've been with for a good few years. Also DPR (not hard). I still visit the first forum I joined in 2003 and this one. They are my favourites and have the 'family' feel I think you refer to Bill. I visit a minimum of once a day - usually more often.

    Have signed up over at Serious Compacts but will give 'mirrorless' a miss.
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  11. pxpaulx

    pxpaulx Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 19, 2010
    Heh, yeah dpr is first and foremost there for amusement purposes! There are occasionally sound discussions worth entering, but simply too many trolls to make most posting worth your while.
  12. Streetshooter

    Streetshooter Administrator Emeritus

    Dec 15, 2009
    Phila, Pa USA
    What makes any forum a success? What makes an enjoyable experience?
    It's not the forum style, not the mods. It's the members. The info they post, the positive attitude they bring with them. These are the things a forum builds upon.
    We are lucky to have the membership we have. It is the positive energy that attracts us here each day and drives away the negative energy.
    There are many interesting places to visit but only a few to call home. This place is home for many of us, myself included.
    Thanks to the entire membership for making it home.
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  13. photoSmart42

    photoSmart42 Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Feb 12, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    Forums, like cameras, are simply tools of our craft IMO. We visit forums because they serve a purpose, and different forums serve different purposes. I normally visit about 4-5 different photo-related forums throughout the day. They each have their own distinct 'feel' and culture about them, and they're all valuable in their own way to help all of us advance our craft. I may come to this forum to help others, I go to another forum to ask for help, I go to yet another forum to ask for feedback on my photos, etc. I haven't found one where I can do everything I need to do in one place to my satisfaction yet.
  14. Brian Mosley

    Brian Mosley Administrator Emeritus

    Dec 15, 2009
    I see a clear distinction between a forum framework - which as you say Dragos we use as a tool... and how we use that tool.

    It's relatively easy to put together an empty forum framework (as the founder of the OPSG, I often get invites to come and see young / empty forum frameworks as they are created... mu-43.com was an opportunity I took to work with Amin, to build something special here)

    In this case we're interested in using the tool (very well managed by Amin, in consultation with the team behind the scenes here) to bring folks together with common interests to form a community.

    Other forum operators/leaders have other motivations, interests and experience... it comes through in how the leading members behave towards others - easy to see actually.

    Thankfully, we have some fantastic leading members here (not just the team we have working at the Administrator/moderator level - I'm talking about our regular members...) which makes up the whole.

    I can appreciate Bill's concern, perhaps seeing how special this place is becoming over time... but rest assured, we will continue to grow stronger. Nice people attract nice people :smile:.

    We all have a strong sense of curiosity... so new frameworks will always be fun to check out over time, but home is where your friends are - and thanks to Bill for sticking a flag in the ground here! :biggrin: :bravo-009:


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  15. photoSmart42

    photoSmart42 Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Feb 12, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    True, but I'm also talking about the personality of the various forums, and that goes beyond the framework used and beyond the forum leadership to the actual forum users who give it that personality. I guess I should have said that I frequent multiple forums because I interact differently with the members of those other forums, and that's a direct correlation to the forum population and character as a whole. To me it's like having a group of friends for going to the movies, a different group of friends for going on international vacations, and a third group of friends for hanging out and talking about politics or something. There is no single group of friends I have who satisfy all of my interests and curiosity, and it's the same with forum populations.
  16. photo owl

    photo owl Mu-43 Rookie

    Jul 9, 2010
    looking at that one specific question - I have to point out that this was once a 'more forum'.......

    as to why people go and look at other forums, I tend to move on when there are more threads such as this than informative ones (don't get me wrong the odd thread on any topic is healthy!)

    whilst I am 'new' on here I know many of the individuals personally, as real people, as well as many online acquaintances. this forum is just part of a wider community as far as I am concerned.
  17. Brian Mosley

    Brian Mosley Administrator Emeritus

    Dec 15, 2009
    Ah, that makes more sense Dragos - we all have different circles of friends... and if we're considering multiple forums with well established communities (making up the character) then it's less of a 'tool we're using to solve a specific problem', more of 'which party shall I drop in on' - I thought Bill was talking about the new forums springing up around the mirrorless format... many having m4/3rds sub-groups.

    I would think this forum represents a well established party, with one of (if not) the most rounded coverage of the m4/3rds system on-line... specialising on the m4/3rds system allows us that character.


  18. Brian Mosley

    Brian Mosley Administrator Emeritus

    Dec 15, 2009
    So true, I can only stand so much navel gazing :rofl:

    Cheers Duncan :smile:

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