Flash/Strobist thread...

Discussion in 'Lighting Forum' started by thearne3, Feb 26, 2010.

  1. thearne3

    thearne3 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    I just realized that we don't have a thread dedicated to flash photography. Since mu-4/3 is often a 'step up' from point and shoot, use of separate flash is also often a new skill set to consider.

    I propose that we use this thread to share info on flashes, technique, resources, etc.

    I am no expert with flash. As George Carlin said "We're all Bozo's on this bus". So let's start pooling our knowledge! (I should add, I have seen many pictures here where flash was used - so I know the skills are already here!)

    The best resource I have found for using small flashes/strobes is www.strobist.blogspot.com. There are lots of free lessons/exercises and examples. There's also a large following on Flickr.

    I use the Oly Fl36R. I had a Nikon SB-26, which was fine for manual and Auto (using the flashes sensor), but there are times when I wanted full TTL control. The E-P's w/o built in flash (1 and 2) don't have remote capability, so the R in FL36R is not used. However, if you want to use the flash as a Slave, you need the FL36R. BTW, the Canon TTL cord works fine with Oly flashes.

    Yesterday I posted a Picture a Day shot using flash, which is what inspired me to start this thread. So I'll kick this thread off with that photo.

    I used a "snoot" - a roll of black paper taped to the flash head which produces a very focused light pattern. The shot was taken in a well-lit room, but with manual metering at least 4 stops down only the flash counts:

    E-P1, 17mm, f3.5, iso 400, 1/60. Manual flash about 1/16 with snoot
    4388555706_4223d436e7_o.
     
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  2. pointoneeight

    pointoneeight Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 11, 2010
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    Thanks for starting this thread Tom, I'll have a good read of the Strobist link. I use the OLY FL36R on my GF1 as well. I've not experimented too much yet, other than a composite for the reflections image quest and one for my PAD yesterday.

    I was going to ask how you put your PAD iamge together and now I don't need to :) I will have to give that technique a try for one of my entries soon. Thanks for sharing

    Alan
     
  3. Amin Sabet

    Amin Sabet Administrator

    Apr 10, 2009
    Boston, MA (USA)
    Thanks for starting this thread, Tom. Lighting is an area I hope to learn much more about over the next couple of years! I'm using an Oly FL-50R on my G1/GH1, but I haven't really tried any creative use of flash yet.
     
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  4. cstevens

    cstevens Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 11, 2010
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    I did a model shoot the other week, with Pocket Wizard and using my Elinchrom Strobes.

    It was a model I knew so she didnt bat an eye lid when I put down the D700 and said, lets try this mini-cam :)

    It was certainly odd to shoot with it at arms length, and this is the limitation of the GF1 (cant have a trigger and a EVF on the hotshoe). I would say however that I would happily shoot models with a G1 or GH1 and I may well be getting an additional m4/3 cam soon for that very reason.

    I do a lot of location model work, and to go from 2 rucksacks down to a small bag with some speed lights, pocket wizards and a bunch of m4/3 would be incredible!
     
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  5. f6cvalkyrie

    f6cvalkyrie Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 12, 2010
    Brussels, Belgium
    Excellent idea for a new thread, Tom !
    And I would like to join in with a question already !

    I own a professionnal flash set (generator, tripods, diffusors, lamp heads, ...) that I use a lot in combination with my SINAR and some film Nikons.
    The set is synchronised through a cable that could be readily inserted in the Nikon bodies or in the Rodenstock lenses (shutter).

    But, my G1 does not seem to have a flash synchro out.

    So, how can I connect that together ?

    TIA,
    Rafael
     
  6. thearne3

    thearne3 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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  7. thearne3

    thearne3 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Thanks for posting, cstevens. I've seen somewhere that someone taped flash leads to the hotshoe and still fitted the EVF. Surely someone will produce a more reliable, thin piece for that purpose. The EVF apparently doesn't use the hotshoe contacts at all. :2thumbs:
     
  8. cstevens

    cstevens Mu-43 Veteran

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    Well, one thing you could easily do is to tape an IR gel over the popup flash and use that to trigger your flashes. In the studio this would work well.

    However I do quite a bit of location work and IR just doesnt cut it unfortunately. However this is only a problem with the GF1/Pens of the range, the G1 and GH1 already have a EVF so you could put a trigger/PW on that.

    I just find when shooting this sort of work it just doesnt feel right not bringing the camera up to the eye.
     
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  9. thearne3

    thearne3 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    IR vs Slave vs wireless

    Pop-up is great advantage of the Panny's and the new Oly - but I have no pop-up on my E-P1. Not sure why you need IR? Why not just use the Slave function (if you have it?). Agree that IR and Slave are limited to controlled situations, such as studio.

    I often use a wireless remote. I tried the Cactus V4, but it it creates interference patterns with m4/3 sensors -AVOID! I now use the RF-602, which can also be used as a wireless shutter release.
     
  10. jhob

    jhob Mu-43 Veteran

    You'd use the IR if you didn't want the on-camera flash to contribute to the exposure, although you could just turn it down to the minimum setting which would have the same effect in most situations.

    Playing around with off-camera flash is a really fun way to get creative - I recommend it!
     
  11. cstevens

    cstevens Mu-43 Veteran

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    I have just found this, which might be of use if you want a small flash, triggered by your camera flash and still use the EVF.

    http://www.metz.de/en/photo-electro...litz-28-cs-2-digital/product-information.html

    I do a bit of "close" work and this might be a good little flash to have in the m4/3 bag (my SB-800/900's weigh more than my GF1.

    Three Different Slave Modes
    Guide No. 72' At 35mm
    Designed for Cameras Without a Hot Shoe
    Built-In Bracket
    24mm Wide Angle and 85mm Tele-Adapters
    Lightweight - Only 5 Ounces
    Compact - 3 x 5" --Fits In A Pocket

    Review here http://www.urban75.org/photos/metz-mecablitz-28-cs2.html
     
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  12. SimplyEd

    SimplyEd Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 10, 2010
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    E-P1/2 strobist

    Hi guys. (Sorry mods, I can't find a thread here regarding strobes).

    I just signed up for a workshop that will be held this saturday. I actually thought that the workshop was for basic photography workshop (and I was so excited).. however, it turned out that its a portraiture workshop which will involve strobes and flash (and now Im scarred). I already paid my friend (our teacher) and promissed to attend his workshop. And guess what... I only have my e-p1 with my kit lens.

    Ok.... yesterday I bought a Yongnuo c301-p and a yongnuo flash and some eneloops batteries without even knowing if it will work with my camera... I just felt that it will work.... and it did (great!)!!! Now I have my flash and wireless trigger (problem solved with flash session). but how about triggers for strobes? Do you have any suggestions? I prefer the cheap ones since I don't have much budget... and its not actually not part of my plan....

    Thanks for the help guys.
     
  13. silverbullet

    silverbullet Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 10, 2010
    Hi,

    I have no informations about your subject, but here a fellow from the German Leica forum has a lot of experience for you. He is very helpful in terms of camera gear. Just drop him a line and tell him, that you got the link from Bernd from Leica forum Germany.....:thumbup:

    http://www.peterlueck.com/

    BTW: his pics made with small cameras are phantastic!
     
  14. BBW

    BBW Super Moderator Emeritus

    two threads into one

    Ed, as you can now see I've merged your new thread into this existing one.:biggrin:

    P.S. I used the word strobes in the search field and chose to search by "post" though in this case the title of the thread there used strobist. The search brought up the use of strobes in the body of the thread.
     
  15. SimplyEd

    SimplyEd Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 10, 2010
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    Thanks... he has really nice set.

    Once again, thanks BBW. I was expecting you actually. thank you very much.:smile:
     
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  16. ahuyevshi

    ahuyevshi Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 9, 2010
    Berkeley, CA
    Ed, I do a lot of "strobist" work... Ebay has a ton of chinese made radio triggers for under 50 bucks for the receiver and transmitter.... U might just have to buy a hotshot w/sync cable adapter for the flash (10 bucks)..
     
  17. SimplyEd

    SimplyEd Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 10, 2010
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    Im really learning alot..stevens. your refering to pocket wizard plus II ryt?
     
  18. SimplyEd

    SimplyEd Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 10, 2010
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    Tom. The RF-602. You mean you can fire strobes using this with e-p1?
     
  19. cstevens

    cstevens Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 11, 2010
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    Yes, its the Plus II's that I have, these are a few years old and purchased when reliable 3rd party triggers where not. I now also swear by the ones I bought from HK, but when you need to ensure that everything works, then the Pocket Wizard is the king of triggers, especially since my light meter has a built in pocket wizard trigger also.

    The "cheap" ones I have from ebay are the CTR 301's

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wireless-Flas...raphy_DigitalCamAccess_RL?hash=item3a5227b057

    These work so well both indoors and outdoors, never had a problem with them.
     
  20. SimplyEd

    SimplyEd Mu-43 Regular

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    Feb 10, 2010
    Philippines

    hi steven,

    I just got the c301-p and it works great along with my HK made flash. what I need is a device for e-p1 which will trigger strobes. Im sure the pocket wizard can do that.. .but I can't afford it.