First review of Panasonic 12-60 isn't pretty

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by tkbslc, May 5, 2016.

  1. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

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  2. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    I don't see how they made the lens as large as the 14-140 and it's worse optically with half the zoom range. Hoping it's a bad test or decentered copy or something.
     
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  3. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    Performance at the long ends looks pretty terrible too. If this proves to be a fair test, then the lens seems to be a dud!
     
  4. rbelyell

    rbelyell Mu-43 Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2013
    Mountains of NY
    imo, 3.5-5.6 in m4/3 is nothing to get excited about.
     
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  5. fredlong

    fredlong Just this guy...

    Apr 18, 2011
    Massachusetts USA
    Fred
    No, not exciting, but I'd be happy to swap out my 14-45 for a similar quality 12-60 for the range.
     
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  6. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    Yeah, I have a hard time believing the results aren't a product of a bad sample.

    As I mentioned in the other thread on this, if those numbers are accurate, this would take the crown as literally the least sharp lens ever made for M4/3, specifically at the tele end. Worse absolute resolution figures at 60mm than the first cheap 14-42mm kit lens - at any point in the zoom range - on the first 12MP sensor.

    I find that difficult to believe. Need to see some other results from SLRGear at least. Probably too much to hope that lenstip or photozone.de will test this one since it's fairly mundane.
     
  7. Klorenzo

    Klorenzo Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 10, 2014
    Lorenzo
  8. tkbslc

    tkbslc Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Even if the first test does turn out to be a bad sample, now you have to worry that the one you buy will also be just like it. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has been spooked away from this lens. With Panasonic now moving to better IBIS in the GX85, I think I'd rather just get the 12-50 for $200-ish used (or continue to rock the kit lens).
     
  9. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    Those PhotographyBLOG samples don't look nearly so bad. Even at 60mm (120mm, as they label it) and f5.6, it looks pretty uniform across the frame. And not worse than the output you'd expect from a regular lens shot on JPEG, which the previous report would indicate.

    http://img.photographyblog.com/revi..._vario_12_60mm_f3_5_5_6_asph_power_ois_07.jpg
     
  10. DHart

    DHart Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jan 7, 2010
    Scottsdale, Arizona
    Don
    That first test has been disconcerting, but as others have said... It would be very surprising if this lens isn't a good performer. I'm still holding out hope based on additional input. It the lens doesn't pan out, we've got a lot great lenses to choose from.
     
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  11. srhphoto

    srhphoto Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 26, 2012
    My pre-ordered lens has come into stock here in the UK. With Ephotozine repeating testing with a different lens and the chance that other reviews will start to appear online soon, I'm going to hold out for as long as I can on the pre-order before deciding what to do. If performance turns out to be inline with the initial Ephotozine test, then I'll have no choice but to cancel. I am however struggling to believe that Panasonic would release a lens that performs so very, very poorly given their track record. I really hope it was just a duff lens, although that in itself is a worry, as on paper this lens ticks just about every box for what I'm after.

    Fingers crossed :)

    Simon.
     
  12. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    I must say, since I do a lot of landscapes this lens looks like a very interesting option - but only if it performs. I'm keeping my fingers crossed too.

    PS - Some great shots on your Flickr page - fantastic advert for u43!!!
     
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  13. srhphoto

    srhphoto Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 26, 2012
    Thanks Paul :)

    As you'll have seen from my Flickr feed, I enjoy landscape photography too and couldn't agree more about how interesting this lens looks on paper. However, the Ephotozine test shows it to be significantly worse than my 14-42mm mk II kit lens. I'm struggling to believe that at the moment, but it will be a colossal own goal from Panasonic if it proves to be true.

    Cheers,

    Simon.
     
  14. sriracha

    sriracha ballistic photons Subscribing Member

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    Jan 22, 2011
    i don't see an issue, perhaps someone can point me to an example?

    all the sample image posted on ePhotozine were shot at f8 and looked fine to me... the few that were not great indicators (portrait, flower bokeh, store front). checked the PhotographyBLOG images and those looked fine as well.
     
  15. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    Well, the MTF plot at 60mm shows the lens struggles to hit 1000 lw/ph wide open and barely makes 1300 at f11. The reviewer saw fit to say this at 50mm (it gets worse at 60mm):

    Damning by faint praise!! Look at the Panasonic 35-100 f4.0-f5.6 to see how it should be done:

    Panasonic Lumix G Vario 35-100mm f/4.0-5.6 Asph Mega O.I.S. Review
     
  16. NWright

    NWright Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 13, 2014
    Massachusetts
    It'd be a shame if this lens doesn't perform like we're hoping.

    I actually shot a preproduction copy this weekend and the form factor is just fantastic for what I'd use it for (rigorous hiking/backpacking).

    I couldn't tell much by way of image quality of the copy I had. Fingers crossed results from elsewhere are a bit better.
     
  17. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    Do you mean that you weren't able to do any critical testing, or that you didn't notice that the image quality was noticeably worse than the lenses you are familiar with?
     
  18. NWright

    NWright Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 13, 2014
    Massachusetts
    I was not able to do any critical testing. Thanks for helping me clear that up! :)

    Only time will tell (and a few more lens tests) if my newest lens will be a used 12-40 or the new 12-60.
     
  19. DHart

    DHart Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jan 7, 2010
    Scottsdale, Arizona
    Don
    The anxiety is palpable. I'm feeling a bit of it myself. If this lens doesn't perform, it will fly right back to B&H where it came from.
     
  20. srhphoto

    srhphoto Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 26, 2012
    I'm still holding off confirming that I want my preorder sending to me while I wait for initial user feedback and other reviews to appear online. I'd be very, very interested to hear what you think when you get your lens Don.

    Ephotozine have also received a second lens for testing, so it will be very interesting see what results they get this time.

    Cheers,

    Simon.
     
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