Filmmaking: good resources to get started?

Discussion in 'Filmmaking' started by Klorenzo, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. Klorenzo

    Klorenzo Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 10, 2014
    Lorenzo
    Hi, yesterday a friend of mine, involved in a stage play, told me that they do not have any good footage of their shows, probably just something shot on a smartphone. So I thought that maybe I could give it a try. We are talking about something to put on Facebook/Youtube.

    And I realized that I know about nothing about filmmaking except for a few minor technical details. I'm thinking about framing, video editing, audio recording, tripod vs handheld, when if ever to zoom or use AF, etc. And all the others topic I'm missing out completely.

    So I'm starting to look for something on youtube but any quality, thorough starting point is welcome (video or text or even books). I'm not even sure if it's better to look for filmmaking, videography or just video.

    My camera is an E-M10 with a few lenses but I'm worried more about the "trade" than about the gear, even if understanding if more then one camera is mandatory or external audio recording would be nice, or if it's bad to mix video from different sources, like 1080p with 720p or Oly H.264 with Pana AVCHD.
     
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  2. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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  3. KBeezie

    KBeezie Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 15, 2012
    Grand Rapids, Mi
    Karl Blessing
    Whatever you, get a decent external microphone, even if it's more the budget end of something like a Rode VideoMic Go or Micro. (The Olympus SEMA-1 adapter does supply Plug-in power for those kind of mics up to 10v, those mics need 3v at most).

    Though just now I looked up the E-M10... doesn't have an accessory port and far as I can tell doesn't have a mic input either... I guess the other option is using an external recorder like a Zoom H1, and just syncing the audio in post.

    But basically in my opinion, poor audio can break an excellent video.
     
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  4. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    I've found that a Tascam D60 with the Rhode Video Mic Pro/Dead Cat works very well especially since you can attach the camera to it. Most new M43 lenses are silent so you can put the mic on the hot shoe and not get focusing noise. For background sound like environmental sounds I've found that my Gx8 mics do a pretty good job.
     
  5. KBeezie

    KBeezie Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 15, 2012
    Grand Rapids, Mi
    Karl Blessing
    I have a dr60mkii coming for my em5 to use with my rode SVM, but I at least have a sema 1 adapter.

    Looking up the em10, there's no way to plug a mic in, or even the camera/line out from a recorder , especially as it has no accessory port or mic input.
     
  6. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Before I got plural eyes I just made sure I made a lot noise (hand clap) to sync with.
     
  7. KBeezie

    KBeezie Mu-43 All-Pro

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    Karl Blessing
    One of the reasons I decided to go with the dr60mkii myself (aside from being a good preamp for my low output mic) was the slate feature which exhibits a tone in the signal that is recorded on both the device and camera which I can sync easily later in resolve or premier .

    But the hand clap is a good idea if you can't plug in, the waveform should be easily noticed with the peaks.
     
  8. KBeezie

    KBeezie Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 15, 2012
    Grand Rapids, Mi
    Karl Blessing
    Far as mixing video sources , it all depends on how you slice it up, I've used older lower resolution videos in conjunction with a 4k slideshow with good results since the appearance doesn't hurt much if it's well planned with good transitions and overall good quality for the main feed.


    :p I would have done that since most my lens are MSC (Movie/Still Compatible)... however you can't mount it in the hot shoe when you have to use the SEMA-1 adapter for microphone input anyways.

    Edit: Why does the E-M10 listed with having a 3.5mm mic jack, but not the E-M10 Mk II?
     
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  9. Lcrunyon

    Lcrunyon Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Loren
    Hi all. Like Klorenzo, I too am looking to try videography. I will certainly check out the forum d7k1 recommended, but does anyone have any recommendations for good books or video tutorials? I'd be starting from complete basics. I don't even understand much of the terminology!

    I'd be using an E-M1 Mk II and a Rhode mic. I'd also be using a MacBook Pro to do editing, but have yet to decide whether I just use iMovie or buy Final Cut Pro.
     
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  10. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman Subscribing Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    A site thats worth bookmarking is

    No Film School

    Its a agregator site with lots of links out.... much of it is rather esoteric, but they have a PDF guide they offer in return for your email address

    On youtube, this channel has some good stuff

    DSLRguide

    K
     
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    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman Subscribing Member

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  12. JBoot

    JBoot Mu-43 Regular Subscribing Member

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    Jerry
    Here is decent easy read to start with, which pointed out to me by others here...

    How to Shoot Video that Doesn't Suck

    Here are some YouTube sites I have found valuable:

    The Basic Filmmaker - Great videos on doing basic shooting/lighting and presented in an entertaining way

    Curtis Judd - Excellent reviews and techniques with lots of information on Lighting and Audio particularly

    Dave Dugdale - Also lots of tests/reviews, not as much on film making techniques
     
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  13. Lcrunyon

    Lcrunyon Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

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    Loren
    Awesome! I've already started delving into some of these. Thanks to both of you!