Showcase Fed 50mm f/3.5 (collapsible)

Discussion in 'Adapted Lens Sample Image Showcase' started by avidone, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. avidone

    avidone Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 24, 2011
    Rome, Italy
    I just got a Fed 2a (FSU Leica-style rangefinder) camera, circa 1955, with a collapsible 50mm lens. I actually plan to use this with *gasp* film, but I couldn't resist sticking it on my E-PL1 for the day and shooting semi-randomly. (ie.: don't expect anything too artistic here)

    Like many FSU lenses, it actually gives some quite nice results, I find:
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    Rush Hour Bus 409 by Asher Berry, on Flickr
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    peaches by Asher Berry, on Flickr
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    marigolds by Asher Berry, on Flickr
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    hidden toyger by Asher Berry, on Flickr
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    hidden toyger vs. ikea mouse by Asher Berry, on Flickr
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    Aqueduct Centocelle by Asher Berry, on Flickr
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    Ancient and Modern Rome by Asher Berry, on Flickr
     
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  2. sLorenzi

    sLorenzi Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2010
    Brazil
    Sidinei
    Those lenses are very nice and very sharp. Not a fast lens, but I like it a lot.
     
  3. stratokaster

    stratokaster Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Jan 4, 2011
    Kyiv, Ukraine
    Pavel
    I hope you will never try to collapse it while it's mounted on your Micro 4/3 camera.

    BTW, is this a Bengal cat? Looks awesome, like a mini tiger.
     
  4. avidone

    avidone Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 24, 2011
    Rome, Italy
    I was really pleasantly surprised how nice this lens was, and true to colour. It is a bit annoying to focus and also to change aperture (on this old model, the aperture is controlled by a wee-tiny tab you have to move with a fingernail) since the lens does not really solidly lock into its extended position.

    It actually can collapse, though not completely, on the E-PL1. I had read where others had done it before without any ill effects (actually with the Industar-22, which seems to be basically the same lens), so I delicately tried and it collapsed to within a couple mm of completely. Of course I did not force it, and anyway, like I said, I mainly intend to use this on the Fed2 it came attached to.

    BTW, my cat is a Toyger; that is actually the breed name. They have a lot of the same ancestors as Bengals, and have been crossed back into them. In fact the originator of the Toyger breed is the daughter of the originator of the Bengal breed (the human originators, I mean, the breeders, not the cats themselves).

    It is a breed still being developed and refined and my cat was from a selective breeding program trying to enhance certain features, so, even though he is officially a Toyger, he is actually an F1 with a Toyger mother and a Bengal father.

    Anyway, I did not get him to breed, but as a pet, so he is neutered. He has a very particular personality, sometimes doglike (likes water, likes to play fetch), a little too intelligent (meaning he can really get into all sorts of things he should not), very social, very talkative with many different voices...

    and of course a striking appearance; tiger-like and with "glitter" in the fur
     
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  5. stratokaster

    stratokaster Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Jan 4, 2011
    Kyiv, Ukraine
    Pavel
    avidone, thank you very much for the information about Toygers! Very interesting.

    By the way, if you want to shoot film, you should try to find Zorki-3 or Zorki-3S. This is the best FSU rangefinder body. Compared to the most common Zorki, Zorki-4, they're very robust and more refined. But just about any Zorki is better than any FED.
     
  6. avidone

    avidone Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 24, 2011
    Rome, Italy
    thanks for the advice on the Zorki models. I actually also recently got a Zorki-4, with Jupiter-8 lens, and original case, box, and (Russian) manual, chosen because it seemed to be in very good shape and also was from 1961, when I was born... then I happened to see the Fed-2, with the collapsible lens which also looked nice, and I was able to grab it quite cheap... the Zorki 4 seems very solidly made, but also bloody heavy; what I like about the Fed is that it is lighter and thinner with that lens anyway.

    so, now I will have to also keep my eyes open for a nice Zorki-3... and maybe a nice Kiev, and, and, and...

    crazy, I had stopped using serious film cameras like 25 years ago, then I got into micro 4/3, which got me into legacy lenses as well, and the old Soviet lenses were really catching my attention in particular, so I ended up deciding to try some old Soviet cameras with film

    what next? am I going to regress to my teenage years and go back into darkroom work?

    actually, whatever some may say about QC issues, I learned great respect for Soviet-era technology, growing up in the US with a father who is an expert in Soviet electronics and then working with so many FSU scientists in Israel
     
  7. Markb

    Markb Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 9, 2011
    Kent, UK
    Mark
    Great results from that old Fed lens. I love Tessars.

    Zorkis and Feds started out as Barnack Leica copies and got bigger and clunkier over the generations. The Industar Elmar copies are really quite good a it's not hard to buld a good Tessar type lens. The later Leitz Elmars (post 1957) are a bit easier to handle but you still have to apply the infinity lock to change apertures. The 1994 50 Elmar (designated Elmar-M) redesign is best of all in handling and performance but they go for big money.

    As for collapsing a lens on :43:, in the days of the CL and M5 Leica used to advise which width of Dymo tape to wrap round the barrel to avoid damaging the meter assembly. A little measurement and experimentation should allow at least partial collapse. Don't forget to extend before shooting though or your pictures will all look like this :frown:

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  8. drd1135

    drd1135 Zen Snapshooter Subscribing Member

    Mar 17, 2011
    Southwest Virginia
    Steve
    What lovely results. Color, sharpness, bokeh all good.
     
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  9. avidone

    avidone Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 24, 2011
    Rome, Italy
    Hey! that's just how things looked about 10 minutes ago... but now I have my morning cappuccino in hand ;-)
     
  10. swglera

    swglera Mu-43 Rookie

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    Jul 15, 2013
    Fed 50 collapsible

    Fed 50 comes in many iterations. These are from an early collapsible model mounted on a Pany G-3 Lens does not retract on this camera, and must be extended before mounting. Easy to focus and fun to use.
     

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  11. mh2000

    mh2000 Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jul 3, 2010
    The Fed lens is different from the I-22. I have an early one that is gold coated, has unconventional clocking and is very sharp. After screwing around with many many Fed and Zorki RF's, I just ended up getting a bargain Leica IIIc... they are pretty cheap now.

    You're photos aren't loading though. :(

    Have fun! Love Russian gear!!! :)
     
  12. sLorenzi

    sLorenzi Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2010
    Brazil
    Sidinei
    Those lenses are excellent and pin sharp. I have a non collapsible version and I love it.
     
  13. KBeezie

    KBeezie Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2012
    Grand Rapids, Mi
    Karl Blessing
    The Fed 50/3.5 is basically an Industar-10 (2 glass elements, 10 aperture blades).

    When I got mine with a Fed 2A, and tried it on my E-P3 I found it to be super hazy, quite low contrast, not all that sharp.

    Then tonight I unscrewed the rear spanner, and cleaned the inside surface of the front and rear element. Haze gone, good contrast out of the camera, and crisp just past 3.5 (kind of crisp at 3.5/wide-open but falls off real quick).

    Image resolution seems to fall off near the edges.

    Here's a test shot I just did at f/5.6 and a bounced flash. Shot in Raw at ISO 200, 1/125th, and saved the jpeg out after converting it in photoshop.

    Link to the full 16 megapixel jpeg export : http://i.imgur.com/GL16EAb.jpg

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    Seeing that this is 2.0x crop factor, I'm now curious how the soft focal fall-off at edges will look on 35mm full frame film.

    Far as being collapsible I went ahead and took a thin strip of black gaffer tape (*much* Better than masking/electrical/etc tape) onto the barrel of the lens so that when it's collapsed it won't go any further than the rear flanges of the LTM->MFT adapter (which would also make it safe for a Canon P or Canon 7 baffle).

    The only problem I have, is if the locking pin is engaged before putting the adapter on, you can't get it disengaged. The work around of course is to shave down adapter rim where the pin sits ( as shown here Making a 39 mm to m4/3 adapter work with Leica lenses ).

    Seeing as the cleaning helped immensely, I might consider using this lens more often.
     
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  14. KBeezie

    KBeezie Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Grand Rapids, Mi
    Karl Blessing
  15. KBeezie

    KBeezie Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2012
    Grand Rapids, Mi
    Karl Blessing
    All of these are wide open except the empty booths (which is a 7 exposure HDR) on my E-M5.

    The only thing I can't do with it is focus past 25 feet to infinity on account that once it's mounted onto the LTM adapter the locking pin prevents me from focusing further (likewise if I don't have it unlocked before mounting to the adapter I can't get out of infinity). Though in a pinch I could unlatch the lens and push the barrel in ever so slightly and re-focus to get my infinity without unscrewing at the trade off of an unlocked lens barrel.

    We were at a restaurant called JJ Ruby, was shooting Raw at ISO 1600, 1/60th shutter speed (IS on with 50mm set as the focal length).

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    HDR image from ISO 1600, shutter speeds : 1/125, 1/500, 1/320, 1/200, 1/80, 1/50, 1/30 (basically 0.7 stops apart). Aperture roughly in between f/4.5 and f/6.3.

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    Back at my grandmother's house, Wide Open, ISO 200, 1/125.

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    100% crop

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  16. KBeezie

    KBeezie Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sep 15, 2012
    Grand Rapids, Mi
    Karl Blessing
    Not as flattering as the previous, but to show sharpness, 100% crop of another frame (also 1/60th @ ISO 1600, and the lens wide open at f/3.5)

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