Fast wide angle 14mm

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by Djarum, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. Djarum

    Djarum Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Dec 15, 2009
    Huntsville, AL, USA
    Jason
    So, I've been waiting for a fast 14mm lens for a while. I have the panny 15mm but it's not really wide enough. I'm not really down with the 12mm focal length. I'm really surprised that one hasn't been made.
     
  2. dirtdevil

    dirtdevil Mu-43 Veteran

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    Apr 9, 2017
    Which focal length are you looking for then? Sounds like you want a 13mm.
     
  3. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    I am impressed that you can tell a big difference between 12mm, 14mm, and 15mm in real world use.

    You could use a Nikon or Samyang 20mm/f1.8 on a focal reducer, but obviously a lot bulkier, more expensive, and manual focus only. Maybe not a great compromise.

    I suppose taking a small crop from a 12mm would be an option. You'd have more flexibility in framing, but would be going down from 16MP to 12MP.
     
  4. TNcasual

    TNcasual Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Dec 2, 2014
    Knoxville, TN
    The Panasonic 14 is decent, not 1.7 fast, but decent.

    Is there really that big of a difference between 15 and 14, though? A couple of steps backward?
     
  5. dornblaser

    dornblaser Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Aug 13, 2012
    Chicago-area
    David Dornblaser
    Yeah, I would love to have a fast 14 between my 12 and 17.

    Probably not, but the 15 seems, to my eyes, too close to my 17.
     
  6. dirtdevil

    dirtdevil Mu-43 Veteran

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    Apr 9, 2017
    Why not the 12mm 1.4 and you simply..........crop a tiny little bit?

    Sorry but I find this kind of "demand" a bit primadonna-esque borderline trollesque.
     
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  7. MetilHed

    MetilHed Mu-43 Regular

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    Aug 30, 2015
    Jeff
    Kind of like when the OP asks about a 14mm and someone says "Sounds like you want a 13mm" ?
     
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  8. dirtdevil

    dirtdevil Mu-43 Veteran

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    Apr 9, 2017
    It was sarcastic yes. But tell me, what would you answer according to the OP's demand?

    Companies are not going to create a fast prime lens just for you when there is something already available 1-2mm shorter and 1-2mm longer.
     
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  9. ntblowz

    ntblowz Mu-43 Veteran

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    Nov 13, 2011
    Auckland, New Zealand
    I have 12 and 15 and just sold my 14mm, i dont use 14mm because its not as wide or as fast. Most of the time if I found 15mm not wide enough, 12mm is just right, or use 7.5mm to capture them all!
     
  10. Djarum

    Djarum Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Dec 15, 2009
    Huntsville, AL, USA
    Jason
    I have the 15 and 20 and. When I got the 15 I really got it because I liked it over the oly 17.

    I use 12mm on occasion from the kit lens but there can be perspective issues. I find myself at 14mm mostly from the kit lens. I find the wider I go, the more difference each mm in focal length seems to matter.
     
  11. Djarum

    Djarum Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Dec 15, 2009
    Huntsville, AL, USA
    Jason
    I just find it surprising that there isn't a f1.8 14mm is all. In my everyday shooting, 14mm is my go-to wide. Cropping doesn't fix perspective issues.
     
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  12. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    Pardon me, but can you explain what you mean here please?
     
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  13. dirtdevil

    dirtdevil Mu-43 Veteran

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    Apr 9, 2017
    That focal length is saturated. There's already a "fast" 12, 15 and now 17 from Oly.

    Maybe they did a mistake in their roadmap of lenses, but I would've instead proposed a fast 10mm, 17mm, 25mm. And the 8-18 zoom lens to fill all the gaps for those not wanting a fast prime.
     
  14. kahren

    kahren Mu-43 Regular

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    Mar 21, 2010
    I would buy 14/.95 and 9/2 but I doubt we will see these lenses, maybe voigtlander will make a 14/.95 :)
     
  15. cptobvious

    cptobvious Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 8, 2013
    I’ve owned the 12/2, 14/2.5, 15/1.7, 17/1.8, and 20/1.7. The 15 is the best of the bunch, optically and mechanically, even though it has it has its issues (high uncorrected distortion, leading to some smearing in the corners when software-corrected).

    The best performing wide for MFT I’ve tried, oddly, is a zoom (12-40 PRO).
     
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  16. TNcasual

    TNcasual Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Dec 2, 2014
    Knoxville, TN
    Someone who knows the physics of optics- how large would a 14 f/0.95 or 9 f/2 lens be?
     
  17. dirtdevil

    dirtdevil Mu-43 Veteran

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    Apr 9, 2017
    You never tried the 12 1.4?
     
  18. Turbofrog

    Turbofrog Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 21, 2014
    Cropping absolutely 100% does fix perspective issues.

    It doesn't fix optical distortion (such as barrel distortion, which is more common on wide angle lenses), but "perspective distortion" is only dependent on your distance to the subject.

    Put another way, pretend you are standing 5 feet away from someone and take a photo of them with a 14mm. Then, while still standing exactly 5 feet away from that person, you put a 12mm lens on and take another picture. If you crop the 12mm shot to the same Field of View as the 14mm shot (i.e. cropping from 16MP down to 12MP) you will have exactly the same perspective distortion. The image will be identical compositionally.

    I have demonstrated this in the past by putting my camera on a tripod with a 14-140mm lens. A tiny 0.16MP crop from the center of the 14mm image will give exactly the same framing, perspective, and composition as the full 16MP shot with the 140mm. It's a useful experiment, well worth performing yourself to get a really good understanding of how perspective in photography works.
     
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  19. SVQuant

    SVQuant Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Sep 20, 2015
    SF Bay Area, California, USA
    Sameer
    As long as you do not move, the perspective does not change between cropping and using a different focal length. I had posted some sample images to illustrate in an earlier thread:
    Why are classic focal lengths important?
     
  20. rpatodia

    rpatodia Mu-43 Regular

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    Nov 3, 2013
    India
    Ramesh
    There is Laowa 7.5 mm/f2 which is pretty good