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EM10 vs EP5 (@same price)

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by wibblywobbly, Oct 29, 2014.

  1. wibblywobbly

    wibblywobbly New to Mu-43

    Oct 16, 2014
    So I was pretty much set on the EM10 along with a few lenses (12-32 and 17; thanks for helping me decide!) until I came across the EP5. I hadn't considered it an option given its price, but the price differential is actually minimal with the EP5 at only $30 more. Moreover, the lens bundle with the 17mm only adds about $200!

    It's possible that I'm just being tempted by the unbelievable deal, but basically I'm trying got figure out 1) what would best suit my needs and 2) what the smartest/most affordable way to achieve that would be.

    As a beginner, I don't really have a preference either way with EVFs (+1 EP5), but since I'm new in the processing front, the newest processor may give me an edge in JPEG outputs (+1 EM10). The consensus seems to be that 3 vs 5 axis stabilization doesn't seem to matter that much, but does the 1/8000 shutter speed have a significant impact?

    I guess another option would be to purchase the EP5 + 17mm to snag the deal on the lens and then sell the EP5 to fund the EM10. Is that feasible or would I just lose money in the process? I have no idea how the resale market is like.

    Here are what the prices are like around where I am at the moment:
    EM10 = $520
    EP5 = $550
    EP5 + 17mm = $780
    17mm = $360

    Thanks so much!
  2. Theo

    Theo Mu-43 Veteran

    Aug 26, 2013
    Theo K.
    If you plan on acquiring a 12-32, the E-M10 maybe a better choice. E-M10's TruePic-7 engine eliminates purple fringing from 12-32 images (and should help to do the same for other Panasonic lenses). I have both E-M10 and E-PM2 (same TruePic-6 as E-P5). The 12-32 images purple fringe badly under some condition on the E-PM2, whereas on the same scene the E-M10 removed most of the fringing. Good luck on swapping bodies for a great deal on the 17mm. :) 

    Here are the samples for comparing purple fringing correction of 12-32 images on E-PM2 and E-M10. Be aware that TruePic-7 bodies may not effectively correct purple fringing for all Panasonic lenses; so happens that it does well on 12-32.

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    E-PM2 with 12-32 CA Illustration by CyberTred, on Flickr
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    E-M10 with 12-32 CA Illustration by CyberTred, on Flickr
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  3. HarryS

    HarryS Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Jun 23, 2012
    Midwest, USA
    Does your EP5 include the external EVF, usually the VF4? If not, then figure out what one will cost you. I paid $299 for my 17mmm so don't let a $70 savings on a lens influence what you want in a camera.

  4. Ulfric M Douglas

    Ulfric M Douglas Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 6, 2010
    In your case I would go for the E-M10, as the e-P5 kit doesn't have a viewfinder in your description and the 17mm might not be important to you.

    Or ... you know ... e-pL7
  5. RichardB

    RichardB Snapshooter Subscribing Member

    Nov 19, 2012
    Maryland, US
    I take a lot of indoor shots with existing light, and I find that my 5-axis E-P5 takes sharper and brighter shots than my (3-axis?) E-PM2. The E-P5 seems to be programmed to take longer exposures, presumably because it can do so with its stabilization. I rarely use my viewfinder, so I would rank the E-P5's stabilization as more important than the E-M10's viewfinder. I have not tried an E-M10, though, so I can't compare the cameras from experience. I like the 17mm focal length a lot, so the E-P5 with lens would be a great deal for me.

    Regarding the processors, I am satisfied with the E-P5's in-camera processing, and anyway I shoot raw and process most shots with an external program, so that would not be a big factor for me.
  6. ttomino1980

    ttomino1980 Mu-43 Regular

    Apr 19, 2014
    go for em10 ...its great camera and you will have evf still with you
  7. alan1972

    alan1972 Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    Jun 23, 2012
    Malaga, Spain
    Alan Grant
    But doesn't the E-PM2 have the old 2-axis IBIS? I don't have an E-M10 either but from what I am read, its 3-axis IBIS is a better system to the one used in the M and L models (prior to the E-PL7).
  8. ntblowz

    ntblowz Mu-43 Veteran

    Nov 13, 2011
    Auckland, New Zealand
    E-PM2's 2 Axis IS is old and prone to shutter shock, the new 3 Axis is much better especially on video
  9. MarkRyan

    MarkRyan Instagram: @MRSallee Subscribing Member

    May 3, 2013
    The main decision is between EVF and 1/8000 shutter speed.
  10. flamingfish

    flamingfish Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Nov 16, 2012
    The EVF on the E-M10 would be the deciding factor for me. Since getting the E-M5, I rarely use the screen to compose -- usually only when I'm shooting something over my head. Love my EVF -- particularly since I can set it to my own diopter, so I don't have to wear reading glasses to see what's in the viewfinder.

    To find out what the resale value on the E-P5 is, check archived listings here and "sold" listings on eBay. Your price would likely be at or near the top of the range, because yours would be new, but you'll find some prices for new ones, too. Don't forget to factor in shipping costs and fees (if you think you'd be selling on eBay).
  11. jo45800

    jo45800 Mu-43 Veteran

    Aug 23, 2013
    I have a E-P5 and if you consider having few fast prime, 1/8000 is a must, I take a lot of pics outdoor in the range 1/4000, 1/8000 (f1.4, f1.8). Also the resolution of the vf4 is a plus, and I am using often it's tilting capability it's very convenient
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  12. Ulfric M Douglas

    Ulfric M Douglas Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 6, 2010
    What are the max shutterspeeds of the e-P5, E-M10 and e-pL7 ... anybody know for a fact?
  13. Matero

    Matero Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    Jun 22, 2013
    E-P5 1/8000
    E-M10 1/4000
    E-PL7 sorry, haven't owned it
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  14. clbaker

    clbaker Mu-43 Rookie

    Sep 30, 2013
    +1 On the E-P5.
    Faster shutter speed at 1/8000
    5 axis stabilization
    9 fps vs 8fps
    virtually silent
    smaller, easily slips into pocket w/o EVF.

    Only on extremely bright days do I wish I had the EVF, otherwise I pretty much shoot from the hip, I love it and when I use a film camera it seems odd and outdated to lift the camera to my eye to compose.
    I use many SLR manual lenses so I really love the 5 axis stabilization. It works incredibly well.
    Not sure about this, but I believe the EVF4 is better than the VF that is built on the EM10. I've heard the VF4 is nothing short of amazing.
  15. rparmar

    rparmar Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Jun 14, 2011
    Limerick, Ireland
    The E-P5 has 5 axis IBIS but the E-M10 has the older 3-axis version. This makes a real difference, especially (but not only) for video.

    The E-P5 uses the BLN-1 battery, like the EM-5 and EM-1. The E-M10 uses the BLS-5 battery, like earlier PEN models.

    The E-P5 has 1/8000s shutter speed and pulled ISO 100, and so is two stops more capable than the E-M10 in bright light. This has made such a difference for me that I now leave my ND filters at home.

    The E-M10 has a built-in EVF but, like the E-M5, it is the older generation 1.44 mp model. If you buy it, the VF-4 is 2.36 mp.

    The E-M10 has more AF focus points (81) and so might be better at continuous focus for moving targets.

    The E-M10 has the improved JPG engine of the E-M1.

    I bought the E-P5 and it was a great decision!
  16. Ulfric M Douglas

    Ulfric M Douglas Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 6, 2010
    The "3-axis" stabilisation in the E-M10 & e-pL7 is newer than the "5-axis" in the E-M5, E-M1 and e-P5, and closely related : i.e. same basic floating-sensor system.
    It is not to be confused with the older poorer stabilisation in previous Pens.
    There is still no decent comparative review of the newer stabilisations side-by-side.
  17. drd1135

    drd1135 Zen Snapshooter Subscribing Member

    Mar 17, 2011
    Southwest Virginia
    E-PL7 is 1/4000 according tot he Olympus website.
  18. Rasmus

    Rasmus Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    Nov 16, 2013
    Stockholm, Sweden.
    I faced the same desicion a while ago, because I wanted a second body to complement my E-M1. I let battery compatibility decide and went for the E-P5. However, it only took me a few days to realize that I needed the VF-4, so now I have one.
  19. Lionroar

    Lionroar Mu-43 Rookie

    Nov 10, 2014
    You should buy whichever camera makes you feel happier because there is very little difference between the cameras except for the minor ones you have already read about on the internet. :smile:

    I think the Truepic VII processor only impacts out-of-camera JPEGs and has no effect on the RAW files, but if someone knows better I hope they will speak up!
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