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EM1 Micro Focus Adjustment - Why and How to Perform

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by Phocal, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
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    I was asked if I would make a post about doing a micro focus adjustment on the EM1.

    So……………..Here it is…………………..

    Before getting into doing the actual alignment I want to mention a few things about PDAF.

    Oh………also of note - when I describe how CDAF & PDAF work I am talking about SAF.

    But………lets talk about CDAF for a second. When a camera focuses with CDAF it does this really fast back and forth focusing and from that determines focus by looking at contrast in the area covered by the autofocus point the user selected. Because it does this back and forth comparison it is very accurate, much more accurate than PDAF.

    Now…….before I go on I want to preface this with I am giving a very simplistic explanation of PDAF, as I did CDAF. I don’t have the time or energy to go into a detailed explanation of either.

    PDAF uses the difference between light phases from two points to determine distance to subject (it also uses it to determine direction and speed for CAF) and it moves the lens to that position. There is no double checking. It knows based on the position of the lens elements at what distance the lens should be focused at. So, when it determines the distance using the phase differences…..it focuses the lens to what it thinks is that distance.

    Now…………why did I say “it focuses the lens to what it thinks is that distance”?

    There are two things to talk about concerning that question. The first is the fact that PDAF doesn’t focus to the same distance each and every time. If you put a camera on a tripod and a target at lets say 10 feet and press the focus button, then defocus and press the focus button and then repeat this over and over……………..

    Each and every time the camera focuses it will be at a slightly different distance. Just because of the nature of things and the algorithms companies develop that are not 100% perfect the camera will determine a slightly different distance each time. The first time it could focus at exactly 10 feet and the next time 10 feet and 1/8 of an inch. But this difference will typically be within a specific range based in part on how good the algorithms are (plus the quality of the lens).

    After writing the next part I realized I needed to come back up here and explain something a bit more. This first part is not what we are correcting for when we do a micro focus adjustment. There is nothing we can do about this fluctuation in the distance the camera focuses. This is the downside of PDAF compared to CDAF, the upside being how fast it can change focus distance when in continuous autofocus because it doesn’t double check and it’s why it’s the preferred method of focusing for CAF.

    The second part of the equation is actually physical. It is the gears and other mechanical things within the lens. When the camera says focus at 10 feet the lens will move to what it thinks is 10 feet. Because every manufactured item has some tolerance for each piece, there will be error. How much that error is will be different for each lens.

    Wait…………….need to point something out here

    This second part can also refer to the camera but really only applies to DSLR’s because they use a separate sensor for focus (error can be introduced if the sensors are not aligned properly). With the EM1 its all on the same sensor, so any error in the camera is highly unlikely. But, I will confess to not having a good enough understanding in sensor design to speak with 100% certainty that there can be no error from the camera side of the EM1.

    So……….this lens error. The camera says focus to 10 feet and the lens moves to what it thinks is 10 feet but is actually 10 feet and 1/8 inch. Now, this has nothing to do with the first thing I discussed. In the first section we assumed the lens was perfect.

    This lens error is what we are correcting for when we do a micro focus adjustment.

    Basically……………….

    We are measuring this error and programming into those algorithms the error for this lens. So now the camera knows that the lens will focus at 10 feet 1/8 inch when it says 10 feet, so it tells the lens to focus 9 feet 7/8 inch. Which in theory should have the lens actually focus at 10 feet and the photo be in perfect focus.

    Yes………………very simplified explanation of focusing and what we are adjusting when we do a micro focus adjustment.

    Next are some random things I want to put out there before continuing with the actual micro focus adjustment.

    The error can be different at different distances. This is why you should always perform the test at your typical shooting distance for that lens. I have come across a few blog post discussing micro focus adjustments that mention error in the lens does result in different amounts of error based on focus distance but error in the camera (talking DSLRs here) is constant with distance. Making the importance of doing this alignment at typical shooting distance even more important.

    When doing zooms you have to do both ends. The way the EM1 works is it takes the setting at the wide end and and the one at the tele end to compute the amount of adjustment needed for focal lengths between the two. I have no knowledge as to how accurate this method is. I pretty much only shoot my 50-200, 50-500 at the max focal length and I haven’t really noticed any problems with my 14-54 (which I use all the focal lengths) but I haven’t shot much with it. Just make sure to do it at both ends, otherwise only the end you do will be accurate and other focal lengths could be really off.

    This is also not a one and done thing. It needs repeated on a regular basis because gears wear and wires stretch. Not electrical wires, but some lenses use actual wire to move the lens elements, some use gears and some use a combination of wire and gears. The point is……it is mechanical error we are adjusting for and the mechanical parts will wear and will increase the amount of error. I do my lenses every October and May, well I check them and I will explain that a bit later on.

    The only reason I was able to write this up is because I happen to have not deleted all the data when I adjusted my Sigma 50-500. This actually works out better than if I had data from my 150/2. The Sigma is not as well made and you can see this by what for my standards are large differences in distance focused. A graph from my 150/2 would be much much tighter. This one also has a few anomalies that I see from time to time, so it’s good thing here for a teaching item.

    So………lets get to it……………..

    I use the Focus Tune system (LensAlign - WhiBal) to do my adjustments. I know there are going to be people jumping on here and saying that you don’t need it and you can do it with some homemade contraption. While I agree that you could get lucky and get it exact or pretty close, the results are not going to be consistent and I will demonstrate why. I also know people are going to come on here and say the price is to high. For the software and target it is under $200 and that is seriously stupid cheap in the grand scheme of things. I spend over $200 a month just in gas going places to shoot, I drive a Jeep and it doesn’t get the best mpg. That is just in my normal photography runs, doesn’t even include at least one major trip a month to someplace for photos. Right now I have 4 lenses that I micro adjust, that is less than an extra $50 for each lens…………seriously people…………………..$200 for the system is really cheap compared to a lot of peoples overall spending on photography………….

    Using the systems gives me piece of mind and I know that my lenses are calibrated to the best they can achieve. When I lay on the ground at the edge of the swamp to photograph a baby gator, I have complete confidence that my lens will focus accurately even with a DoF that is 1/2 inch (I don’t want to spend time shooting and shooting because laying on the edge of the swamp to photograph a baby gator is not the safest place to be………………mama is around and watching and she is very protective). I also know when that rare moment happens and I finally see a bird catch and eat a baby gator (shot I am still after) that my gear will focus correctly and I will get the capture I am after. That piece of mind is worth way more than the $200 I spent on the software………..which was several years ago………….I still use the software, but the money spent has long been forgotten.

    I only have original EM1’s, so I can only tell you where it is in that menu……….I assume it’s located in the same place on the mk2.

    With that………………………….

    If you go into the gear menu to cog K you will see ‘AF Focus Adj.”, that is where you start the process. In that menu you have 3 choices: Off, Default Data, and Lens Data. Off is pretty self explanatory. The Default Data will apply the same adjustment to every lens you attach to the camera (yes, even m4/3 lenses when in CAF…..more on that later). Lens Data is what you want to use, it applies the setting you have come up with to only that lens you did the adjustment for. If you adjust a lens with a TC, it knows you used a TC and will treat that as a separate lens per say. If you happen to have multiple ec14s, it will treat each of them differently if you did the adjustment with each. In other words, if I had two ec14s I would have to adjust my 150/2 with each of them (they can and most likely will require different settings) and the camera would be able to distinguish which one was being used. To go one step further………….if you had two ec14s but only tested one and entered in the adjustment. The camera would apply that adjustment only when using that ec14. When you use the other ec14 it will apply no adjustment to the camera, it reads this as something you have not tested because it reads the serial number of the TC.

    So………lets select Lens Data.

    When I select it I see a listing of my lenses similar to this

    1 150 F2.0
    1 150 F2.0 EC14
    1 150 F2.0 EC20

    Since I have my 150/2 without a TC on the camera, the first one is highlighted white and all other choices are grayed out. If you have never done this before your only option will be to arrow over to the right, that will take you into the adjustment area. At first all the focus points will be highlighted and that is what you want, will explain in a minute. So, you press the ok button and that changes the display some. You can now use the D-pad to move a scale on the right side from +20 to -20, this is where you set the adjustment.

    When I first did this on my EM1 my OCD forced me to test every single focus point. I took an entire weekend doing this and determined that it’s a huge waste of time. I came up with a few differences of +/-1, but the time involved was just not worth it and I am not positive my small differences were not due to my error. I spent the next few times randomly testing different points (because my OCD forced me to at least check a few) each time I did this and now……..I just use the all points as I said above. What the all points does is use the center point for the testing and applies the setting you use to all the focus points. Just a faster way of setting them all the same. But the option is there to test each point and make a different setting for each. I have just not found a need for this. Maybe on a DSLR where the sensors (remember they use different sensors for image and focus) are not perfectly parallel this would be needed. But with all on one sensor in the EM1, I have decided it is not needed and have not seen any evidence to change my mind. I should note here that I use all my focus points. I shoot for composition and hate the focus and recompose method, so I do move the focus point around when shooting. Even doing this I have not seen evidence that one focus point is worse off than another.

    Well………………..we now have established how to get into the adjustment area. Now to do the actual test.

    First I setup my camera on the most sturdy tripod I have, it’s a holdover from my film days so it is heavy and sturdy. Then I put the target on another sturdy tripod and set the distance, this is where personal preference comes into play. Some suggest 25x the focal length and others suggest 50x, I think you should set the distance to what you typically shoot the lens at. In my first times I did test at 50x and again at 25x and again close to minimum focus distance. I did find some difference, which gives evidence to what I said above about error in lenses being different based on distance to subject. But the difference has always been pretty minor, within +/-1. So I now do 35x and test at minimum focus distance since I shoot a lot of close up stuff with my telephoto lenses. You can actually have multiple settings for the same lens and if I ever find a significant difference from 35x and minimum focus I would setup one for each. I would just have to go in and tell the camera which to use. Would not be a huge issue since I know when I am going to use the camera for close up stuff.

    The focus tune system has a method for setting it up (not going into all that because they have videos that explain it all). But I do want to mention a few things. The first is that their method ensures the camera is perfectly parallel to the target and ruler. If you are not perfectly parallel you are introducing problems into the testing and will not get accurate results. The system also has you shooting a flat target, not a slanted ruler like most doing a homemade setup use. The advantage here is that if you shoot a slanted ruler you have no control over where the camera actually focuses. By that I mean it could use the top part of the focus point or the bottom or the dead center and that will change how the image looks as to where it focused. By using a flat target that is perfectly centered with the zero point of the slanted ruler you avoid any issue of where the focus point actually focused. One other thing about shooting a ruler, getting the center of the focus point at exactly the zero point is going to be next to impossible.

    I am sorry, I just can’t see how a homemade setup or shooting a brick wall is going to be more accurate than this system. Sure it can be done but that is hoping for good luck and that you got everything perfectly aligned. Plus, $200 really is stupid cheap if you care about having your gear perform at its optimal ability.

    Now that you have all of that setup, it’s time to start shooting………………

    The focus tune system has you shooting 5 shots at -20, -15, -10, -5, 0, +5, +10, +15, +20. Why 5 shots at each setting? Because of the variable focusing I talked about way back at the beginning. I have at times shot 10 photos at each setting but have found not much difference, so I save time and just do 5 shots. After you shoot that series of photos you upload them into the software and you get a graph similar to this.

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    First Pass by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

    The green dots are where the software determined each photo focused at. I have no idea what the values on the left represent as far as distance focused. I am sure an explanation is available, just haven’t researched it because it really doesn’t matter. It also always uses 400 as the extreme (will see that in the next graph), so it’s relative to the amount of error detected in test run. But looking at this graph you can see how the shots vary in the distance that it actually focused. The software provides these nice overlays on the photos with a mask so you can manually see how it focused each time. Below you will find a photo that has the zero line in nice sharp focus, followed by one where it back focused. The actual photos without the mask are also available if you wanted to look at them. I looked at this stuff carefully the first few times I did this, because I have OCD and not knowing drives me crazy. Now, I just run the test and ignore all this stuff…………….I trust the software.
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    In focus by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

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    Back Focus by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

    I want to mention here that because I am using the small ruler (really need the large ruler) for the Bigma and it's smaller aperture the DoF is really large. But the above photos give a good impression of how the mask displays in the software. With my 150/2 it is a lot easier to see, as it would be with the large ruler.........which I really need to just go ahead and buy (but don't really need for my lenses).

    Using those masked photos, which I am sure is based on contrast, it determines the focus distances that it displays on the graph. Something else I am sure jumped out at you is the +20 results. I have see this now and again and it can happen at either +20 or -20. I personally think it has something to do with the software in the camera and is an anomaly. I now just ignore it unless it looks like the actual adjustment is going to be between +15 and +20. If that is the case (I have one lens with ec20 that is adjusted to +17) I will re-shoot the +20 and it usually is fine the 2nd go around.

    Finally, the blue diamond is the average for that set of shots. You see………….when we adjust the lens we can’t get it to focus perfectly each time because of the natural problems with PDAF. What we are trying to do is to adjust the lens so that the blue diamond is on the zero line. In other words, we want that natural randomness to fall as close to zero as possible……….giving us the most shots possible within the zone of sharpness.

    Now, we see the line is passing zero somewhere between -5 and 0. So we go out and shoot 5 shots at -5, -4, -3, -2, -1, 0. This gives us something like this.

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    Second Pass by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

    It has been to long and I don’t remember what I decided about the shots at 0. Can’t remember if I re-shot or ignored it, all I have are these screen shots I did (which was for doing a post about micro adjustments that I am just now getting to). Play along with me and lets say the line continued to go towards back focusing for the 0 shots, which is what I think I did. We have the -1 and -2 shots that are pretty close. The -1 is much tighter but that could be pure random chance or something I caused. Which this is a good time to talk about two things.

    I know people who say they just setup a ruler and shoot one shot at each setting and look at them on the computer (because they don’t understand the randomness of PDAF focusing they think this is an acceptable test). So, lets say you did that for the -5 to 0 shots and you ended up with the green dot at the top for each setting. To you, the shots from -4, -3, and 0 probably all look pretty similar and the -1 & -2 shots look the worse. So what would you set it to, or would you re-shoot them all and this time maybe end up with all the bottom green dots. Now they all look bad except the -1 setting. I hope some are starting to see where the software really helps in all this. It will look at the photos and help figure out the average for each setting. If you go back and look at both graphs, you will see that the spread (randomness) for each setting is pretty close. Sure there are a few outliers, but overall that random distance I talked about at the very beginning is pretty close to the same for each setting. I also really wish I still had all the photos from the testing to show just hard it is to see a difference between most of these shots. This post is taking me a lot of time to write as is, without finding the time to also re-shoot samples……………guess you have to believe me.

    The second thing is I have found that lenses perform a bit different as far as the randomness of distance focused if they are going from far to near or near to far when gaining focus. For this reason I always try to remember to defocus the same direction between each shot. I tend to defocus moving the focus point towards me, so the lens has to move from closer to farther away when it focuses. Sometimes I get lazy and just turn the focus ring without thinking and that could be what caused some of the randomness in the shots. But there is still one step left to help make sure we got the right setting. I have also been doing this long enough to know if I should re-shoot or not based on what I am seeing.

    The software has a function called a focus consistency test. For that you shoot a series of photos all at the same setting, I like to do 50-100 shots. When you import them into the software and run the test you can group them into 5 shots clusters or 10 shot clusters (I run both if I shot 100 shots). What this does is give you a chart showing how consistent the camera focused at the correct distance. When I say I do my lenses twice a year, this is what I do. I run a focus consistency test and if it all looks good I move along. This test is simple and fast and I can do all my lenses with all combos of TC’s in a few hours, compared to about 20 minutes for each lens (40 for zooms). Oh, that 20 minutes is for the 150/2, and another 20 minutes for the ec14 and another 20 minutes for the ec20 (so an hour for a prime and two hours for a zoom if doing all possible combinations). For the focus consistency test I just sit outside and shoot all the shots for all the combos and then come inside and evaluate. Typically I use a different memory card for each lens to help me not get to confused.

    Ok, so I ran the test for the Bigma and this is what I got. The first one at the -2 setting and the second one is the -1 setting.

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    -2 Setting by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

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    -1 Setting by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

    I went with the -2 setting because it had the more consistent looking graph and was closer to the zero line. FYI, so far it seems to be working well based on photos I have taken.

    I want to point out that when doing my other 4/3 lenses the shot patterns are tighter. This is my only Sigma 4/3 lens and I can only guess that it’s a quality control problem with it. The Bigma is not a high quality lens like the HG or SHG Olympus lenses. So they should have less variability due to tighter tolerances in the factory. My two HG lenses are pretty close to each other in spread pattern, while my 150/2 is the tightest of the bunch. Doing this really does point out how tighter tolerances can make a big difference in lens performance.

    That is basically why you should do a micro focus adjustment and how I go about doing it. Now………………I guess I should mention a few things about the EM1’s.

    When you use a 4/3 lens on any EM1, the camera will only use PDAF. That even applies to lenses like the ZD 14-54 ii that is CDAF optimized. For the original EM1, Olympus has come out and said that when using CAF the EM1 only uses PDAF…………regardless of lens used. That means that when you have an Olympus 300mm f4.0 on your EM1, the camera is only using PDAF and doesn’t use CDAF when you select CAF. This does mean that there could be focusing error when using m4/3 lenses in CAF on an original EM1. I don’t own any m4/3 lenses that I use for action and have not tested this personally. But I can promise you if I did, I would be checking this…………..more on that in minute.

    This was written a bit ago and I now have the 300/4 and will be performing this on my lens when I get some spare time. When I get that data I will update this post, but it could be a bit as I have a lot going on right now. I also just checked and I will need the large ruler to test this lens with the MC-14......................guess it's time to finally order that large ruler.

    For the EM1mk2, Olympus is being very tight lipped about how their focusing really works. I personally believe that they still basically only use PDAF for CAF. I hear some say that it uses PDAF but checks focus accuracy with CDAF, but I find that very hard to believe. The idea that a lens is moving it’s elements to keep up with a subject coming towards the camera I understand and can rationalize how it works. What I can’t fathom is to use CDAF to check accuracy it would have to also be moving back and forth along some distance it believes the subject is located while also moving the focus closer to the camera at the same speed as the subject and that just doesn’t seem realistic to me. But, as I said…………I don’t own an EM1mk2 so I can only speculate on how it focuses with m4/3 lenses. But………………………………….

    As for the mk2 there does seem to be a problem and the camera doesn’t report the micro adjustment in exif. Oh, yes………The exif data does include the micro focus adjustment value. But there is some problem with the mk2 and it doesn’t report that info, even tho it actually does use the adjustment. This problem is only with m4/3 lenses, with 4/3 lenses it seems to always report the adjustment. Again…………this is not my personal experience but from someone I know and trust, so I am pretty confident in the information. Also keep in mind that it should only report the setting if the camera was in CAF because in SAF is should be using CDAF and not need the adjustment. Again.............this is all speculation on my part because I don't currently own an EM1mk2.

    I already know there are going to be 100 comments with people saying I am crazy and this doesn’t need to be done on m4/3 lenses. You can believe what you want and I am not going to argue this point. I know what I believe to be true based on my knowledge about how PDAF works and my own personal experiences. I just wish Olympus would come out and explain how their focusing works and acknowledge that a micro focus adjustment may be needed. Instead they want to hide behind this curtain of our cameras have CDAF and everyone knows that CDAF is the most accurate focusing. I get great keeper % with my 4/3 lenses, way better then I hear a lot of people reporting with m4/3 when using CAF (which should be better because they do focus faster due to newer designs). I maintain that people don’t see higher rates of keepers in CAF (like what Olympus reports as possible) because they need to do a micro focus adjustment. Please Olympus, at least talk about this and acknowledge that it may need to be done. They know this, why else would they allow you to do it for m4/3 lenses if it was not needed? They gray out options when I have 4/3 lenses attached, could do the same for micro adjust when a m4/3 lens is attached. But they allow it………………………

    ……………………………..wonder why that is?

    For those using the 4/3 TC’s. I personally believe when people talk about the ec20 being soft and unusable it’s because they didn’t do a micro focus adjustment. My experience has been that the lens needs a minor adjustment, the ec14 more and the ec20 even more. You can go to my Flickr and see a lot of full resolution samples of the ec20 on my lenses (all shot wide-open) if you are curious. The 4/3 TC’s are remarkable and perform amazingly well when you take the time to align your gear properly. It also explains why some say they need stopped down. Stopping down increases DoF, which going down a stop could be just enough to put the 0 line into sharp focus.

    I do want to mention something here about using not just 4/3 lenses but PDAF in general. I typically shoot in SAF, even when photographing a bird catching fish. I also shoot in burst to try and capture the perfect shot. When shooting a bird catching a snake (which I did, took like 10 minutes for him to eat it) I shot in short burst for several reason. The first is so I don’t fill my buffer, that way I have room if something super cool happens. The second is because I know the camera will focus at a slightly different location each time. By doing short burst and forcing the camera to refocus each time I increase my odds of getting the sharpest photo possible.

    I know that was a long read and a lot of information and I really do wonder how many will actually read the entire thing. I hope some people learned something and that it helps them in the future.

    I am willing to answer any questions that I can about the process……………………

    Regards,

    Ronnie

    EDIT - based on a conversation over on DPR, the following information has been added to help clarify some things.......................

    The photos are from an original EM1 but the information (especially in the last photograph) also applies to the mk2 and show how to get into the Micro Focus Adjustment menu and where I make the adjustments when testing and how to set the adjustment.

    I deleted all my data to show a clean version as if you are starting. Yes, I wrote it all down in a note on my iPhone the day I did the adjustments.

    In Cog K you find the menu option for AF Focus Adj and this is where you enter into it.
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    1 by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

    Next you want to select Lens Data. If you select Default Data you will be entering information that will be applied to every lens you put on the camera. You do not want to do Default Data...........I repeat DO NOT DO DEFAULT DATA
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    For completeness I put in this photo.
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    3 by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

    At this point I always select "OK". When you select OK it will use the center point and apply any data you enter to all focus points. In the original post I go into why I do this, so will not repeat here.
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    4 by RRcoleJR Photography, on Flickr

    After selecting "OK" you will see this screen.
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    In this above photo is where you set the focus adjustment and it's also where I shoot my test images from. Using the arrow keys you can move the slider up and down for the settings from -20 to +20. What I do is move it down to -20 and shoot 5 frames. Then I move it up to -15 and shoot 5 more frames and so on and so on.

    Now, when you are in this screen the camera defaults to SAF single shot and it only uses PDAF. Let me repeat this. When in this screen the camera will only use PDAF to focus regardless of lens attached. When I say that I mean m4/3 and 4/3 lenses, I have no idea how all this works or if it even does if using something like a Metabones adapter and a Canon EF lens.

    When in the above screen the EM1 & EM1mk2 will only use PDAF to focus...........

    There are other ways you could do the test but I recommend only doing it from this screen. It simplifies the entire process and ensures that the camera is using PDAF focusing. You could enter this menu enter a setting and then go back to normal shooting and switch to CAF and shoot 5 images and then repeat for each setting but that just seems like a huge waste of time and way more complicated then it needs to be.

    With that said.................................

    I do a focus consistency check in SAF and CAF with my 4/3 lenses to make sure it is all working as intended. After I have entered my information I go back out and in my normal shooting method shoot 100 shots in SAF and then in CAF (both just using single shot, not burst shooting) and run thru the focus consistency test in the software. When I do my 300/4 (my only m4/3 lens) I will just test it in CAF since it would use CDAF in SAF.

    Here is another photograph that shows how to see what setting was used in camera during play back mode.

    The AF+/- +1 is the micro focus adjustment setting for the lens
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  2. Drdave944

    Drdave944 Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Feb 2, 2012
    Thanks for the clear thinking on this subject. Very good information.
     
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  3. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
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    You are welcome and I hope others find it useful. This post had been in the making for about a year now and took me the better part of 6 months to write. Still not perfectly happy with it, just trying to figure out how to present the information in logical manner wasn't easy. But it's written and done..............now just to work on the next part about m4/3 lenses.
     
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    barry13 Mu-43.com Editor Subscribing Member

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Barry
    Hi Ronnie,
    You mind if I move this to the Olympus Cameras and make it Sticky there?
     
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  5. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
    Houston
    Nope, not at all...........probably the more logical place.
     
  6. wolfie

    wolfie Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 15, 2009
    New Zealand
    Thanks Phocal - loved the read, but I'm sooooo glad I only use CDAF on my E-M5s!
     
  7. SVQuant

    SVQuant Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Sep 20, 2015
    SF Bay Area, California, USA
    Sameer
    Hi Ronnie,
    Thanks for putting this together. Love the fact that you put in all this effort to share your knowledge. I had used your advice in a different thread to focus tune my 50-200SWD last year. But not with my EC14. So I will do both again this year before Lacrosse season starts.

    Just out of curiosity, did you find much of a difference in the adjustment for the same lens between your two E-M1 bodies? Also, I presume using e-shutter vs. mechanical should not make a difference.
     
  8. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
    Houston
    You are welcome and thanks, glad you enjoyed it. It really is not that big of a problem and well worth the time I invest in it.
     
  9. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
    Houston
    You are welcome and I am glad you find it useful. I enjoy doing stuff like this and the fact that there is very little discussion about it makes me want to get the information out there. People look at me funny when I start talking about it and Olympus cameras, that's fine.

    I have actually not done it on my 2nd EM1 yet. I always like to use a camera/lens a few times before doing the micro focus adjustment and I have really only used the 2nd EM1 twice. When I first got it I was exploring this swamp area for about a month and was just shooting fisheye or occasionally the 14-54 on it. Then we had the hurricane and basically no photography for close to a month. I got out on the river with it twice and was using the 50-200 SWD on it. Mostly bare lens but some EC-20 stuff and I have noticed missed focus shots than what I typically get. So it does need some adjustment with that lens for sure. But after those two trips to really test it out I got the 300/4 and have just been using that lens on the new EM1 and the 150/2 on my old body.

    So now I have shot with the 300/4 and I honestly believe that it does need a micro focus adjustment. While on the river I did some CAF as I drifted by birds and I just didn't get the keep ratio I was expecting. I also used it at the airshow and I had a lower in focus % than the 150/2, but that could also be me and my in experience at airshow photography with that much reach. So I want to shoot with the 300/4 a few more times to really evaluate it before getting into the micro focus adjustment. At that time I will do all lenses and all combos on both bodies, that may take me a few sessions to actually complete now that I have 4 4/3 lenses (3 of them zooms) and the 300/4.

    I know, it may seem strange but I prefer doing things this way so I can make an honest comparison on before and after.

    When I do both bodies with all lenses I will update this thread with those results as well as my findings on the m4/3 lenses and micro focus adjustment (now that I have a lens to actually test it).
     
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  10. MichailK

    MichailK Mu-43 Regular

    187
    Nov 6, 2017
    Thessaly, Greece
    I have no E-M1 or serious lenses
    however
    I am still collecting my jaw from the floor - Kudos!
     
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  11. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
    Houston
    Thanks, glad you read it even tho it doesn't apply to your current gear.............
     
  12. zippo88

    zippo88 Mu-43 Regular

    65
    Nov 9, 2013
    Great write up.
    your time and effort are greatly appreciated.
    My personal experience when tuning my mark 2:
    Shortly after I purchased my em1mark2, I made an inquiry to Olympus about making af adjustments. My inquiry was regarding the use of 43 lenses. Oly told me to use the SAF mode when making af adjustments. The mark 2 only uses phase detection, regardless of af mode when using 43 lenses. Therefore, any af adjustments made in SAF will be applied to CAF and tracking-CAF as well. Hope this helps mark2 users.
     
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  13. Clint

    Clint Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Apr 22, 2013
    San Diego area, CA
    Clint
    Ronnie, one heck of right up! In the last sentence of the paragraph I think you need to remove the last 1/8 inch to coincide worth what you are trying to get across.

    You do know you answered your own question. They could have left the "AF Focus Adj." off the mirrorless cameras - but they included it. In my mind they have shown that it might be needed and included it since it was already fully developed in the 4/3 line.
     
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  14. Clint

    Clint Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Apr 22, 2013
    San Diego area, CA
    Clint
    There are a couple of points I want to 2nd.

    This can get very time consuming, so you really want to do it right the first time.
    1. Getting the Focus Tune/Lens Align kit will save you many many hours of time, a level of accuracy that you cannot achieve otherwise, and may keep you from pulling our your hair out.
    2. You need a very sturdy platform to be shooting from and for your target. Any movement of either just adds to the recorded errors. Use a remote shutter release or delay the shutter.

    To save some time my first test run through I'll shoot at -20, -10, 0, +10, +20. More than 95% of the time it will tell me at what points to shoot for the next trial.

    You do not need to do every camera/lens combo you have - but if you have doubts about how your lens focus is working and you see consistent missed focus areas, then run the test.

    If your test are only coming at +1/-1 and you still have focus issues - then it is probably not the equipment.
     
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  15. dornblaser

    dornblaser Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Aug 13, 2012
    Chicago-area
    David Dornblaser
    Thanks, Ronnie, I learned a few things from your write-up.
     
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  16. macro

    macro Mu-43 Veteran Subscribing Member

    481
    Jan 22, 2012
    New Zealand
    Excellent post Ron and time well spent. These sorts of posts are like gold mate. Well done.

    Danny.
     
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  17. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
    Houston
    First.................

    Sorry for taking so long to reply, been super busy and this is one of several threads I need to get around to replying to.
     
  18. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
    Houston
    That right there is part of the problem, the people you talk to at Olympus (aka customer service) have no idea how the camera works. What ever focus mode you have the camera set at does nothing when you go into the menu for micro focus adjustment (which is cog K on the EM1), when you enter that menu the camera is forced into PDAF only (regardless of 4/3 or m4/3 lens attached). In this menu is where you dial in the adjustment amount, it's also where you shoot the test images for the different settings...................when in this menu doing the adjustment the camera will only use PDAF regardless of lens attached or what focus mode you had selected before going into this menu.

    What ever this is I can't see it. Shows up as a link and when I click it says I don't have permission to view.
     
  19. Phocal

    Phocal Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Jan 3, 2014
    Houston
    Thanks, fixed.

    Including it is really not acknowledging that may be needed..............I mean it is because the ability is there but they never mention anything about it. All you see on their website and advertising is how accurate their focusing is, and the CDAF is very accurate. But they never acknowledge anywhere (other than having the option in the camera) that micro focus adjustments could be required in CAF. A while back this guy in one of the Facebook groups I am in was telling people that for his 75-300 he would "set the af points up so center point is +4 with surrounding points at +3 . And the ones surrounding them at 1 it adds contrast to outer edges". He followed that up with "When in there select the points and adjust the points . Tweak them around until satisfied . For 70-300 what I said earlier works real well for color in the eagles". The worse part is people in the group took his information as truth because that is "what Olympus told him" and of course I was the idiot for disagreeing with him about what the micro focus adjust does and how it works. I just can't believe that Olympus is fine with this kind of false information floating around and I can only summarize that they don't want people to realize that their PDAF is not 100% accurate like their CDAF and can/will suffer from the same focus inaccuracies as a DSLR. I would also imagine they don't really talk about it because Panasonics solution to CAF is DFD, which doesn't require micro focus adjustments and could sway people to buy Panasonic over Olympus if they talked about the need openly.

    I haven't really tested all this with m4/3 lenses but hope over the holidays to do my 300/4. But I can't help but think that it is needed because people are always reporting much lower in focus % than I get (talking about CAF) and I am using the much older and not as fast focusing 4/3 lenses compared to everyone's m4/3 lenses. When I ask these people if they have done a micro focus adjustment they think I am crazy and say it's not needed on mirrorless cameras..............................
     
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