EM-5 II has a new sensor!

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by TassieFig, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. TassieFig

    TassieFig Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 28, 2013
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    According to Setsuya Kataoka at Olympus the EM-5 II has a new sensor!

    Here is an interview in the Swedish magazine Fotosidan:

    http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/olympus-chef-berattar-om-kommande-produkter.htm

    They have requested lots of things to the sensor manufacturer (Sony?) but don't always get what they want.

    Things they want in the future:

    • Global shutter
    • Higher dynamic range
    • Higher resolution

    Atm they are debating if they will make a fast super tele or a somewhat slower super tele zoom. After the Pro- series is complete they want to make more specialised lenses like e.g. super fast lenses but probably not tilt-shift lenses.

    They are looking to make a feature that will facilitate astro photography. No details but mention that Pentax has such a function.

    Camera and lens sales are dropping and they can't afford to produce niche products.
     
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  2. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    Strange he didn't mention lower noise - I would think that would be nr 1 on most people's lists for a sensor upgrade.
     
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  3. faithblinded

    faithblinded Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Ken
    I hope this means the E-M1 ver 2 includes a Sony sensor, rather than another Panny one. I love my E-M1, but there's no denying the Sony sensor in my E-M5 is cleaner at base ISO.

    For me the big news is that they are considering a fast super telephoto! A 400 f4.0 would simply rock my world, and end any notion of ever moving to APS-C to get more reach. I'd prefer they do a prime to a zoom, for the sake of using the 1.4TC and still having a useful aperture. Olympus is finally building the system I've always wanted m4/3 to be. I just wish they had started the PRO lineup sooner!
     
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  4. TassieFig

    TassieFig Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Yes, I agree but I'm sure that's on their wish list too. I'm personally excited about higher resolution. I just saw a 10K timelapse using a Phase One and now I want one :biggrin::frown: Amazing stuff.

    http://vimeo.com/119343870
     
  5. m43happy

    m43happy Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 18, 2012
    New sensor? This is the first I'm hearing of it as everyone else has reported it being the same as the old E-M5. I hope so though as I pre-ordered. :)
     
  6. Carbonman

    Carbonman Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jul 10, 2014
    Vancouver BC
    Graham
    I think long, relatively fast prime lenses are more useful than long zooms. The 40-150mm f2.8 is as far up the tele range that I want to go with a zoom.
     
  7. johnvanatta

    johnvanatta Mu-43 Regular

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    Put me down as another that'd really like base ISO noise cleaner. Having ISO 100 native would help and doesn't seem too much to ask for.

    I've mixed feelings on a 400/4 type prime. On the one hand, its a lot of reach, yay! On the other hand, its a *lot* of reach, far more than I'd often want. Not having any zoom options after the 40-150+TC seems limiting: there's a fair amount of gap between 210mm and 300mm already. Also, so far my judgement is that Oly makes better zooms than primes, so something like a 200-400/4 sounds pretty good to me.
     
  8. Carbonman

    Carbonman Mu-43 All-Pro

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    Vancouver BC
    Graham
    I always used an old 100-200 zoom at either 100 or 200mm, very rarely in the middle of the zoom range. A 35-105mm zoom I used at all focal lengths, sort of the way I now use the 12-40mm f2.8. In years of 35mm shooting with long lenses it was always a case of big changes in focal length - 200mm, then 400mm, then 800mm. What I was shooting teles with always benefitted from a large aperture and a generous amount of magnification. Having relatively light lenses helped with handheld long shooting days, something you give up with big zooms. Cropping was secondary to composition, especially with fast action.
     
  9. faithblinded

    faithblinded Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Ken
    Yes, there is a 90mm gap between the 40-150+TC and the upcoming 300mm f4. I don't consider it important. If you are finding 210mm isn't enough, It's unlikely the 300mm will be too much, and honestly if it is, using the 210mm and cropping will probably do. I feel the gap on the long end is a much more serious hole in m4/3 to shore up.
    I'll explain my logic...
    300mm + 1.4x TC on m4/3 limits us to 420mm(840mm euiv FOV) with lenses currently in the pipeline
    400mm + 1.4x TC on APS-C comes in at 560mm(840mm equiv FOV)

    That's great. The weight difference between a 300mm f4 designed for m4/3 and 400mm f4 made for full frame should be significant. But APS-C isn't limited to 400mm, and those who use long lenses always want more reach, up to the point they can no longer bear to pay for or carry it. I'd say for most of these folks, 500mm is probably as far as they will ever go with a prime. Yeah 600s exist, but they are either slow or ginormous. APS-C users are really paying for CaNikon's refusal to build dedicated lenses here. It's hurting the backs of wildlife and sports photogs shooting crop bodies, I imagine.

    So let's assume 500mm is the basic long end of what m4/3 has to compete with, in order to be completely capable of the same reach as APS-C, and be appealing to pro sports and wildlife photogs.

    At 500mm with 1.4x TC, APS-C gets 700mm(1050mm equiv FOV)
    At 400mm with 1.4x TC ,m4/3 gets you 560mm(1120mm equiv FOV)

    So that's why I think a 400mm f4 would be the sweet spot for a long fast prime, in addition to what we already have coming. I've thought about this alot. I really wish the 300mm was out now. When I get antsy, I just go look at the size of the 400mm lenses for APS-C. It helps a little.
     
  10. SkiHound

    SkiHound Mu-43 Veteran

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    Folks like Robin Wong who works for Olympus say there's no real difference in IQ and I've not seen Olympus hype improved IQ. I figured it probably wouldn't be exactly the same sensor, but in terms of still IQ (normal 16mp mode) it certainly seems to be functionally equivalent.
     
  11. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
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    Dara
    Exactly. Companies tend to oversell rather than undersell image quality differences. The fact that Olympus has said nothing at all about improved noise/detail/DR in 'regular's (non-stitched) mode peaks volumes.
     
  12. bikerhiker

    bikerhiker Mu-43 All-Pro

    Dec 24, 2013
    Canada
    David
    He meant a new 16MP sensor to take advantage of the electronic shutter. If Sony puts out a new 16MP sensor with Global Shutter, then Olympus will then call this yet another "NEW" sensor. I don't think it's hype. Car companies had done this year over year with 2015 models newer than 2014, but essentially function the same as last year's models with a few refinements. Same with sensor technology unless we have a major breakthrough.
     
  13. Ulfric M Douglas

    Ulfric M Douglas Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 6, 2010
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    Olympus always said they were using a new sensor, even when they weren't. It is their default position.
     
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  14. zensu

    zensu An Old Fool

    Aug 8, 2012
    Southeastern USA
    Bobby
    This electronic shutter will enable the new E-M5 II to take advantage of the "0 second" anti-shock feature that's available on my E-P5 (E-PL7, E-M1). I am curious if this new sensor will improve IQ at higher ISOs.
    Bobby
     
  15. DigitalD

    DigitalD Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    David
    I posted about this a few weeks before launch after reading through the patent. Basically Its new, and its not new. The general hardware design is the same and based off the same part as the original EM5 sensor. What is new is the bayan filtering system, the likes that has really never been done before on such a small sensor. Second the firmware for the chip has been completely re-written to account for the sensor shift technology as well as some tweaks were made to the True Pic VII engine. As a byproduct of this new feature Olympus was able to implement and electronic shutter (absolutely necessary for the sensor shift) and a new order of progression during the scan. I am still somewhat hopeful that these changes may in fact impact Dynamic Range and ISO during normal shooting conditions but Im not holding my breath. Most of the early reviewers have all noted they are working with v0.9 of the firmware release. It's customary that production firmware is released at 1.0. which is usually the case for Olympus products. I gather though, because they haven't made a big deal of improved IQ that it probably hasn't changed much. Im not sure whats wrong with the current IQ however. I think its just fine as it is anyway. Aren't most of you still clutching hard to your original EM5? Plus a new sensor would have shot the cost of this camera up and most are already griping about the cost as it is so Olympus made a choice.
     
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  16. DoofClenas

    DoofClenas Who needs a Mirror!

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    Clint
    I just wish they would "choose" to speed up the production on the 7-14mm and 300mm
     
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  17. bikerhiker

    bikerhiker Mu-43 All-Pro

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    Canada
    David
    I think you're confusing electronic first curtain shutter with electronic shutter; the latter allowing you to complete an exposure without tripping the mechanical shutter, thus allowing for quiter stealth operation up to 1/160,000 sec, a higher burst speed and sensor shift for 40MP without inducing movement that will cause blur. The older models (I have E-P5), E-PL7 and E-M1 require the shutter to trip to complete the exposure via the mechanical shutter. There were some limitations with Panasonic utilizing electronic shutter being 10bit RAW I think? 12bit RAW with electronic shutter via the E-M5 mark 2 as far as I'm led to believe. So this is a new sensor as I don't think the 16MP old sensor is capable of doing this.
     
  18. bikerhiker

    bikerhiker Mu-43 All-Pro

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    David
    A global shutter will make a bigger impact than an electronic shutter. Panasonic had electronic shutter implementation on a few of their models already and makes an excellent street stealth camera or a macro platform where absolute reduced vibration is necessary for sharper images. So an electronic shutter is important obviously for the sensor shift where you don't want any mechanical shutter vibration to cause movement during shifting which we now know is so sensitive that picking up a phone from the table or the flash firing from the camera's external flash is enough to cause blur!
     
  19. DigitalD

    DigitalD Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    David
    Yep your right. I was just making a point that I don't think Oly would have put the electronic shutter in the first place if they weren't re-writing the firmware for sensor shift. Though it would be nice to think they may be able to improve the movement issues in the hires capture over time with firmware updates. But that may be only a pipe dream...