Downgrading within μ4/3

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by voltcontrol, May 15, 2013.

  1. voltcontrol

    voltcontrol Mu-43 Regular

    Apr 26, 2013
    Who has downgraded within the μ4/3 system? And from what to what?

    I am considering to go from a G3 to a GF3 because it offers even better portability, does everything I need in terms of functionality and the swap will get some budget for better lenses. I was afraid that the step back in sensor resolution would be noticable, but I think I wil not not notive most of the time.

    I'm looking forward to your experience with- or thoughts on the subject.
  2. mattia

    mattia Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 3, 2012
    The Netherlands
    There's more to the step from a 16MP to a 12MP sensor than 'just' the loss of 4MP. The latest gen 16MP are the first I consider to be of acceptable quality - I have a GF2, and while the handling is only OK, the IQ is marginal at best for my preferences.

    Also, swapping from a G3 to a GF3 is unlikely to net you a significant amount of spending money in real-world terms. Both are relatively old, not very expensive cameras.
  3. madogvelkor

    madogvelkor Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Feb 22, 2013
    The GF3 has a nice sensor, but I found it to be just a little lacking when I had it. If you like the body style, you'd probably better off picking up a GX1, I see the body for $249 or less all the time.
  4. drd1135

    drd1135 Zen Snapshooter

    Mar 17, 2011
    Southwest Virginia
    Real Name:
    I'm in the same place as Mattia. I really like the output of my E-Pl5, especially in low light, and I hardly use my E-PM1 anymore despite how much I like size.
  5. AceAceBaby

    AceAceBaby Mu-43 Veteran

    Jan 21, 2013
    I didn't sell my E-PL5, but I bought an E-PL1 for relatively little money and ended up so far, probably getting more use out of it; mostly because I'm less protective of it. I also find the controls easier to deal with (fewer of them, and less fiddly).
  6. voltcontrol

    voltcontrol Mu-43 Regular

    Apr 26, 2013
    Hmmm, you guys are talking me out of it aren't you.. ;)

    I'm curious to learn what the step up in IQ from the 12mp to the 16mp generation is exactly, I have perhaps (honestly) missed certain aspects of it?
  7. AceAceBaby

    AceAceBaby Mu-43 Veteran

    Jan 21, 2013
    The only thing I really notice about the difference between mine is that the E-PL5 can give fairly clean images at ISO 3200, where the E-PL1 is looking sad by ISO 1600. Two stops of light ability is the* difference between a fast lens and a cheap one, so there is that.

    *one of the.
  8. mattia

    mattia Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 3, 2012
    The Netherlands
    In short, the 16MP bodies have:
    - Better high ISO
    - More pixels (duh)
    - Greater dynamic range (less clipped highlights/more easily recovered shadows and highlights when shooting RAW)
  9. xdayv

    xdayv Color Blind

    Aug 26, 2011
    Tacloban City, Philippines
    Real Name:
    I suggest considering the GX1 as an option.
  10. Amin Sabet

    Amin Sabet Administrator

    Apr 10, 2009
    Boston, MA (USA)
    In many respects, my move from GH2 to E-P3 was a "downgrade", but I really enjoyed both cameras, and the switch ended up being a good one for me despite the worse sensor. "Downgrading" from the E-M5 to the E-PM2 also ended up being a good move for me.

    I agree with the suggestions above, though. At current prices, the GX1 is a better buy than GF series IMO.
  11. spatulaboy

    spatulaboy I'm not really here

    Jul 13, 2011
    North Carolina
    Real Name:
    The G3 is already very small (too small for many), going to GF3 won't save you much space or money.

    You will loose a great EVF, flip screen, and better sensor. All for what?
  12. Ned

    Ned Mu-43 Legend

    Jul 18, 2010
    Alberta, Canada
    When the Pen Mini first came out I picked up a couple of them and immediately started building kits around these new small bodies. :)

    As far as the G3 and GF3, they may both do all the things you need in terms of functionality but for me the GF3 is lacking in everything I need. No usable flash compatibility, no EVF compatibility, complete reliance on a touchscreen menu... I've used them and there is no way I would ever buy one. That's me though... it's one of the only :43: cameras which doesn't do what I need from a camera.
  13. battleaxe

    battleaxe Mu-43 Top Veteran

    I went from a G2 to a GF3(well at first it was a supplementary camera, but now my only m4/3 camera) and that in some ways is a downgrade(miss the articulating display more than the evf for the way I use the GF3).

    I would agree, the GX1 would be a better choice as it offers more for about the same price. The only advantage the GF3 has is cheaper underwater housing options, and is lighter, which is a bonus when in a jacket pocket.
  14. voltcontrol

    voltcontrol Mu-43 Regular

    Apr 26, 2013
    Wow, this question has conjured up quite some replies so far.

    I want to really thank you guys. After considering all of your advice and tring both the GF, GX and a couple of otfer options in camera shops I am keeping the G3.
  15. fspeur

    fspeur Mu-43 Rookie

    Sep 23, 2012
    Edmonton AB, Canada
    Real Name:
    Two months ago I came across a good deal on an E-PL3 and decided it was the right time for a second body (I already have an E-PL1). I especially like the tilting screen on the E-PL3. Here comes the downgrade: it came with the old 17mm f2.8 lens (total price: $346 Cdn. including tax). I can't really afford a second camera, so in order to finance most of my purchase I sold my Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens for $300. So far, no regrets. Mind you, I'm not a pro or anything and I have no problem boosting the ISO for low light from 800 to 1600 or 3200 with this lens. A bit more noise? No big deal. The lens is also quite sharp. Maybe my standards are lower than others', but there you go. Flickr: speur's Photostream