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Featured Dodging & Burning with Livetime

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by pdk42, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. AllanG

    AllanG Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Aug 26, 2014
    Brisbane, Australia
    Very, very clever to take a new procedure from Olympus and team it with an old darkroom technique to give what I see as beautiful and interesting images.
    Well done and thanks for a clear and succinct explanation of the procedure.
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  2. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team Subscribing Member

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    As far as I know, it's only Olympus cameras. The gen II Sony A7 cameras have a "Playmemories" app you can install called Smooth Reflection that gets close. However, they withdrew it on the III models !
  3. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team Subscribing Member

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    Yes, that's true. The advantage of the dodging technique though is that the line on the grad filter can be moved about so as to prevent a visible result. You can also provide other shapes for when it's not just a simple horizon - a simple "V" for instance is very helpful in valleys.
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  4. TNcasual

    TNcasual Mu-43 Legend Subscribing Member

    Dec 2, 2014
    Knoxville, TN
    Pentax has some similar software tricks to Olympus's Live Time and Live Composite. Pentax's are exactly the same, but do similar things to get similar results. I don't know if the OP technique would work with the Pentax methods or not.
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  5. danelkins

    danelkins Mu-43 Top Veteran Subscribing Member

    Mar 9, 2013
    Norhtern Illinois
    Genius! Beautifully captured!
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  6. pdk42

    pdk42 One of the "Eh?" team Subscribing Member

    Jan 11, 2013
    Leamington Spa, UK
    Here are a few more example if anyone is interested:

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    Last Light over Bear Lake by Paul Kaye, on Flickr

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    Cape Town Shrouded by Paul Kaye, on Flickr

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    Table Mountain by Paul Kaye, on Flickr

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    Clouds over the Opera House by Paul Kaye, on Flickr
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  7. rich.smith

    rich.smith Mu-43 Regular

    Dec 21, 2011
    Excellent work. Thanks for inspiring the rest of us to go out and give it a try.
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  8. SLOtographer

    SLOtographer Mu-43 Regular Subscribing Member

    Sep 1, 2013
    Fantastic idea! Thanks for sharing.
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  9. Mack

    Mack Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Jan 14, 2018
    This is really a neat idea! Thanks! :2thumbs:

    I found my first trial I had to drop the ISO to LOW (64) and I was at f/11 with the 2 second increments building in bright sun with a 10 stop ND filter. Since my 10-stop Lee Big Stopper has the compendium bellows, and my dodging card was held out a bit from the filter, I got a definite edge line since the wide-angle 12mm has too much DOF at f/11 and the edge was showing.

    Might need to try it with a screw-on or normal Lee filter holder to keep the card closer to the lens for more blur. I need a bigger card too for my fat fingers, maybe 7" on a side as the need to completely cover the filter and lens affair is needed to start. Need some poster board cutouts with maybe some black flock paper attached (e.g. A semi-circle for horizon.).

    I can see this as being very useful though - and maybe munition for the FF camera guys who don't have Live Time too. Nice work pdk42! :bravo-009:
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2019
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  10. Robstar1963

    Robstar1963 Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Jun 10, 2011
    Isle of Wight England UK
    Robert (Rob)
    Thanks very much for posting
    Some wonderful shots there Paul !
  11. longviewer

    longviewer Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Oct 22, 2015
    SW Washington (Longview area)
    Jim R
    This concept was one of the reasons I recently grabbed an E-P5 online. Great to see the results and hear it's not just feasible but quite straightforward - thanks!
  12. srikant

    srikant New to Mu-43 Subscribing Member

    Jan 31, 2019
    Omg. What kind of sorcery is this. These are the kind of pics landscape photographers crave for. Great going. Could you elaborate a bit more about your technique. Where do you focus? How do you ensure that everything is in foucs? etc. Thanks!
  13. Mack

    Mack Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Jan 14, 2018
    I've been toying a lot with this. Manual focusing using Focus Peaking is my method. I found the 10 stop ND filter works the best. I tried with a 6 stop ND and never got the right exposure, and I also tried some 16.6 stop ND and it was too much for outdoors. My Lee clip-on filter Big Stopper has the bellows-type mount and moving the burning card around in front with a wide angle lens may show the card's edge. The Lee holder without the bellows is probably better. I tried a screw-on 10 stop ND and that worked a bit better, but focusing is tough as it is dark so best to try and manually do it.

    Exposure is the tricky part as well as is the timing of moving the card and how much. Too fast a setting and you get overexposure quick and you cannot burn down anything as that train has passed for anything staying dark. OP is right in that it does take practice - a lot!

    I did add a FeelWorld F5 five inch HDMI monitor to my E-M1.2 to get a larger overall view of what was happening. It's a bit brighter than the OEM rear screen at 450 nits, but still would like more. Mine (via Amazon) did come with a Velcro hood that wraps around the screen so the sunlight stays off it which helps too.
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  14. Gerard

    Gerard Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    May 12, 2015
    Vleuten, Utrecht
    Thanks for sharing and for the clear explanation.
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