Do I want what I cannot have? Fujifilm colours on Panasonic

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I should think you could get what you cannot have with a very small amount of post-processing. I changed your original shot above using Affinity Photo using just one layer adjustment tool. It looks like the kind of sky that you like to me, but perhaps not?
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On my G9, under the first menu section (red camera), page 1, Filter Settings, there is an XPRO (Cross Process) filter that achieves this cyan sky effect. Not sure if the same set of filters is available on the GX9 or G85. I bet it could even be programmed to a FN button (of which the G9 has many).
 

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And I never enjoyed Olympus colours, when I shot Oly! So it's lucky we have options ๐Ÿ˜‰

Funny. I shoot 95+% JPEGs, and Fuji has always been my favorite in terms of JPEG output. But Olympus is a close second.

I agree with RAH though, you should be able to get close to your sky of choice if you use one layer adjustment tool. I don't think Snapseed allows for that? Not sure though. If not, I think you have to choose between shooting JPEGs, shooting Fuji, and how you process, unless the cross process filter option Darmok points out is available on your cameras.
 
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You made me go into Snapseed to see if it had the capability to just adjust the blue channel to get more of what you wanted. It's totally doable, bit it took me a bit of time to figure out how. I did it with an Olympus JPEG as I didn't have a Panasonic one handy. Here's before:

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I finally found the ability under the curves tool, click the leftmost of the context sensitive buttons on the bottom edge and you can select individual color channels. I picked blue and dragged it down a bit, and bingo:

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That's a little much but if you know exactly what you want I bet it will get the result you're looking for. Personally I like much of Panasonic's standard JPEG colors, it's the greens I'm not super fond of, they're a bit yellow for me.
 
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Pick several points on the curve and you can control how it affects the rest of the tones more like this:

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No worries, from the main Snapseed screen hit the little back arrow icon, next to the info icon and then tap on the QR Look button. You then get the option to create a QR look from you current photo edit in progress or scan a QR Look.

If you choose scan, it will open a little QR reader rectangle, align this over the QR code I posted on the forum and it will apply the presets to whatever photo you currently have open.

From there you can save the Look to your own Look collection or open the list of edits and play around with it before saving.

I have a heap of very specialised looks but I also like to keep a few general styles as a starting point that I can play with to fit specific scenes/subjects better...


I also highly recommend checking out all the tutorials located in the menu under the three little dots. There's heaps of good info in there...
Many thanks for your technical advice with Snapseed, and for sharing the "looks" via QR code - that's such a clever way to share! As suggested, I have started looking at the tutorials in the app, as they're so useful. I didn't realise that you can also apply the tutorial steps, so it's easy to go back through and modify the steps as liked. You have given me hope again with using a free app I like ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ‘
 

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On my G9, under the first menu section (red camera), page 1, Filter Settings, there is an XPRO (Cross Process) filter that achieves this cyan sky effect. Not sure if the same set of filters is available on the GX9 or G85. I bet it could even be programmed to a FN button (of which the G9 has many).
Unfortunately there is not much adjustment available, as there is with photo styles, and you're stuck with set contrast, shapes, noise reduction and saturation. The most important of these to me is being able to dial down NR.
 

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Unfortunately there is not much adjustment available, as there is with photo styles, and you're stuck with set contrast, shapes, noise reduction and saturation. The most important of these to me is being able to dial down NR.
On the G9, that's what is under "Photo Style," but just below that option in the menu is "Filter Settings," where XPRO is one of several choices. I wasn't sure if all Panasonic bodies had the same filter set.
 

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On the G9, that's what is under "Photo Style," but just below that option in the menu is "Filter Settings," where XPRO is one of several choices. I wasn't sure if all Panasonic bodies had the same filter set.
The GX9 and G85 do have the XPRO filter, but they aren't adjustable. Perhaps there was an advancement in the G9. Can you adjust contrast, NR, etc when using the XPRO filter in the G9?
 

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A big thank you to you all for not just shoving me off a cliff!! I appreciate the efforts in helping me with this seemingly-nonsensical goal.

With Fujifilm cameras, you can choose a film simulation, then modify it fairly comprehensively (sharpness, contrast, NR, metering, etc) and save it (my X30 has 7 saved JPEG settings), which is a level of customisation in this area unavailable in my Lumixes.

I had already tried adjusting the photo styles, the white balance, using filters such as XPRO, etc in camera, trying to get an in-camera result I liked. But I think the best option will be to use post processing for this (or go deeper into Fujifilm cameras). I know which is $$$$ cheaper!

As suggested by @NoSeconds, I tried again using Snapseed app's grainy film options, and got a result I liked.

Before (both were edited with Snapseed, but I didn't have a SOOC JPEG to work with):

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Many thanks for your technical advice with Snapseed, and for sharing the "looks" via QR code - that's such a clever way to share! As suggested, I have started looking at the tutorials in the app, as they're so useful. I didn't realise that you can also apply the tutorial steps, so it's easy to go back through and modify the steps as liked. You have given me hope again with using a free app I like ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ‘

No worries, I can't believe how powerful and diverse Snapseed is for a piece of free software. I use it for most processing except my IR stuff (probably is a way to do it - just haven't figured it out yet) and I used it and a TG870 exclusively for a 365 challenge a few years back...

There has been a lot of upgrades over the years too so to anyone with a decent tablet that tried it's early iteration, I suggest giving it another whirl...
 

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The GX9 and G85 do have the XPRO filter, but they aren't adjustable. Perhaps there was an advancement in the G9. Can you adjust contrast, NR, etc when using the XPRO filter in the G9?
No, though I guess I didn't realize you were wanting to do more adjusting beyond the filter. Looks like you have something worked out anyway!
 

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This is a really informative thread, well done and thanks to all.


One thing I'd add . Chasing Fuji's "classic chrome" whilst staying in the M43 universe AND only shooting jpegs is probably best done with a Pen-F . There's a couple of threads in the Oly boards with settings and how to do it, and in my experience it gets very close. Of course, the Pen-F body may not be to Melanie's taste. But it's colour settings are far more flexible than other mft bodies without delving into Raw and processing time.
 

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This is a really informative thread, well done and thanks to all.


One thing I'd add . Chasing Fuji's "classic chrome" whilst staying in the M43 universe AND only shooting jpegs is probably best done with a Pen-F . There's a couple of threads in the Oly boards with settings and how to do it, and in my experience it gets very close. Of course, the Pen-F body may not be to Melanie's taste. But it's colour settings are far more flexible than other mft bodies without delving into Raw and processing time.
I can't believe I'm writing this, but I think I'd rather switch to Fuji than use another Olympus body (I've had a few)!!! I don't know when this happened to me.

That said, the Pen F is a beautiful looking thing, and probably the one I could let my guard down for... ๐Ÿ˜‚
 

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A quick answer to your original post, Melanie, and a few thoughts. Like you, I own an older X30 and it has become one of my favorite smallish take-everywhere cameras - and like you, I think, I have become addicted to the camera's in-camera 'Classic Chrome' film simulation, which I do most of my shooting with. The Fuji engineers really know a thing or two about colour settings and adjustments - and it shows in their almost-always brilliant in-camera film simulations. They are so good on the X30 that I've given up shooting RAW with that camera...because, really, why bother, when the colours of the in-camera film sims are so remarkable?

Incidentally, if you aren't familiar with the Fuji X Weekly website, its founder Richie Roesch has amassed and published a truly wonderful and mouth-watering collection of Fuji film sims, which he has further categorized and broken down by what kind of X-Trans sensor your particular camera may have. The X-30 has a "X-Trans II" sensor, and this page has the full list of Richie's Fuji film sim recipes:
https://fujixweekly.com/fujifilm-x-trans-ii-recipes/

My current main micro-4/3 camera body is a GX9 which I quite adore (to me it's a truly fine evolutionary upgrade of the GX7 form factor), and it's even more usable when equipped with the factory grip. My old GX8 (another wonderful camera) had my formerly-favorite EVF-viewfinder, but once the GX9's maligned EVF is equipped with the factory eyecup, it transforms the viewing experience.

Sorry, I'm digressing. Back to the topic: though my GX9 does superb in-camera monochrome jpegs (including Lumix's brilliant l.monochrome.d sim), none of its in-camera color presets come close to the latest Fujifilm offerings. I had a Pen F briefly and its in-camera capabilities for tweaking colours, and creating custom presets, were and are definitely better than those of my GX9 - it still can't honestly hold a candle to what the newer generations of Fuji bodies are doing with jpeg's. And I've never been a fan of the form factors of the more traditionally shaped Fuji DSLR bodies so... what the hell is a person to do?

My own solution was an extreme one. I finally bit the bullet and went into debt, to buy a semi-reasonably priced lightly used XPro3 body - and guess what? Its selection of in-camera simulation profiles - both the newer 'Classic Neg' - and several other custom 'recipes' (a few borrowed from Ritchie Roesch's cool website) - and the way it fits (naturally) in my hand... have finally solved the problem for me. I just couldn't get a golden marmoset to lay any golden eggs, no matter how hard I have tried.
 
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A quick answer to your original post, Melanie, and a few thoughts. Like you, I own an older X30 and it has become one of my favorite smallish take-everywhere cameras - and like you, I think, I have become addicted to the cameras in-camera 'Classic Chrome' film simulation, which I do most of my shooting with. The Fuji engineers really know a thing or two about colour settings and adjustments - and it shows in their almost-always brilliant in-camera film simulations. They are so good on the X30 that I've given up shooting RAW with that camera...because, really, why bother, when the colours of the in-camera film sims are so remarkable?

Incidentally, if you aren't familiar with the Fuji X Weekly website, its founder Richie Roesch has amassed and published a truly wonderful and mouth-watering collection of Fuji film sims, which he has further categorized and broken down by what kind of X-Trans sensor your particular camera may have. The X-30 has a "X-Trans II" sensor, and this page has the full list of Richie's Fuji film sim recipes:
https://fujixweekly.com/fujifilm-x-trans-ii-recipes/

My current main micro-4/3 camera body is a GX9 which I quite adore (to me it's a truly fine evolutionary upgrade of the GX7 form factor), and it's even more usable when equipped with the factory grip. My old GX8 (another wonderful camera) had my formerly-favorite EVF-viewfinder, but once the GX9's maligned EVF is equipped with the factory eyecup, it transforms the viewing experience.

Sorry, I'm digressing. Back to the topic: though my GX9 does superb in-camera monochrome jpegs (including Lumix's brilliant l.monochrome.d sim), none of its in-camera color presets come close to the latest Fujifilm offerings. I had a Pen F briefly and its in-camera capabilities for tweaking colours, and creating custom presets, were and are definitely better than those of my GX9 - it still can't honestly hold a candle to what the newer generations of Fuji bodies are doing with jpeg's. And I've never been a fan of the form factors of the more traditionally shaped Fuji DSLR bodies so... what the hell is a person to do?

My own solution was an extreme one. I finally bit the bullet and went into debt, to buy a semi-reasonably priced lightly used XPro3 body - and guess what? Its selection of in-camera simulation profiles - both the newer 'Classic Neg' - and several other custom 'recipes' (a few borrowed from Ritchie Roesch's cool website) - and the way it fits (naturally) in my hand... have finally solved the problem for me. I just couldn't get a golden marmoset to lay any golden eggs, no matter how hard I have tried.
Thank God, someone who really, truly gets my frustration! (No offense intended to anyone else here; it's just such a relief when someone else has the same gear and feels the same way.)

I have a number of Ritchie's film recipes stored in my X30, and most often use a Kodak Gold one (Classic Chrome base) for general travel shots. The GX9 has been an excellent companion camera to the X30, but even with the additional eyecup I find the EVF pretty useless, and - amazingly - nowhere near as nice as the X30's.

The X-PRO 3 appeals to me, with the way it encourages a "film shooting experience", but I haven't seriously looked at it due to the cost and lack of IBIS. I'm a terrible shooter without IBIS now! But, congratulations on your purchase ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ‘Œ

As I so love the X30, with its regular PASM dial, I think the X-S10 is the natural conclusion for me.
 

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Thank God, someone who really, truly gets my frustration! (No offense intended to anyone else here; it's just such a relief when someone else has the same gear and feels the same way.)

I have a number of Ritchie's film recipes stored in my X30, and most often use a Kodak Gold one (Classic Chrome base) for general travel shots. The GX9 has been an excellent companion camera to the X30, but even with the additional eyecup I find the EVF pretty useless, and - amazingly - nowhere near as nice as the X30's.

The X-PRO 3 appeals to me, with the way it encourages a "film shooting experience", but I haven't seriously looked at it due to the cost and lack of IBIS. I'm a terrible shooter without IBIS now! But, congratulations on your purchase ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ‘Œ

As I so love the X30, with its regular PASM dial, I think the X-S10 is the natural conclusion for me.

You might have a point about the IBIS or lack thereof. One of the rather cool features of the GX9 is that when paired with certain Lumix lenses - which have their own built-in Power IBIS (I can't remember exactly what it's called), you actually get a double-IBIS effect - both from the camera and from the lens! Occasionally when I've used my 1st generation and razor-sharp general purpose zoom - the fixed f/2.8 12-35mm Lumix - I've been able to get some remarkably sharp (i.e. unblurry) handheld shots at ludicrously lengthy exposures.

And you're right about the X30's little EVF: it's surprisingly good. At the risk of beating a metaphorical dead horse, though, if you are ever able to get your hands on the soft rubber eyecup for the GX9, I recommend it. It truly transformed my feelings about that camera's viewfinder in ways I still can barely fathom.

The X-S10 might be an interesting choice, though :)
 

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