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desperate 2 axis IBIS on EPL5

Discussion in 'Olympus Cameras' started by jyc860923, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. jyc860923

    jyc860923 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 28, 2012
    Shenyang, China
    贾一川
    shooting with the newly acquired Sigma 60 2.8 I have sadly discovered that the IBIS isn't helping at all. I by chance of at least 50% get blurred images at 1/125s with this lens & IBIS on while I can actually get sharp ones with IBIS off under even slower speeds handheld. It's so annoying that I have to turn it off from time to time, but I haven't noticed this issue with p25 1.4 on EPL5 before. Have anyone here had anything to say about the EPL5's IBIS?

    I'm quite sure that it's the machine, and not my problem as the offset of the double image always look identical. It disappears as soon as I set the IBIS to SIS3 or off.
     
  2. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    Have you tried setting the anti-shock to 1 second or so? If it's the same problem as the E-PM1 had, anti-shock should make it go away.
     
  3. stratokaster

    stratokaster Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 4, 2011
    Kyiv, Ukraine
    Pavel
    As far as I understand, nearly all Micro 4/3 cameras have this issue. I can't reliable handhold my Panasonic GF2 with Olympus 45/1.8 at shutter speeds between 1/100 and 1/160, but I can handhold it at 1/50.
     
  4. jyc860923

    jyc860923 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 28, 2012
    Shenyang, China
    贾一川
    I think it's a good idea to set a shutter delay, thanks.

    BTW is that a common problem which appears on EPM1 too, caused by pressing the shutter?
     
  5. jyc860923

    jyc860923 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 28, 2012
    Shenyang, China
    贾一川
    Thanks man for your input. But the the combo of GF2 and 45 1.8 doesn't contain IS part, which still isn't immune to such vibration?

    So that I'm safe to think it's not the Sigma lens or IBIS defect, I should just avoid using 1/100-1/160, the range I've also found problematic.
     
  6. stratokaster

    stratokaster Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 4, 2011
    Kyiv, Ukraine
    Pavel
    I've read somewhere that it's the way the most common Micro 4/3 shutter unit (shared between Olympus and Panasonic) is designed. The closing of the first curtain before the exposure results in double images at certain shutter speeds.
     
  7. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    That was the impression I got. It's not so much pressing the shutter as the IBIS over-compensating for it. Adding a slight delay (as with anti-shock) seemed to help significantly.
     
  8. jyc860923

    jyc860923 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 28, 2012
    Shenyang, China
    贾一川
    I'll try, thanks guys.

    :p
     
  9. RnR

    RnR Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2011
    Brisbane, Australia
    Hasse
    1/8 sec shutter delay is all thats needed. 1 sec delay sounds extreme?
     
  10. jyc860923

    jyc860923 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 28, 2012
    Shenyang, China
    贾一川
    I'll try if the EPL5 can be set to delay 1/8s, never touched that function yet
     
  11. elandel

    elandel Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 16, 2010
    Milan, Italy
    Same problem. I love my E-pl5 but it seems to me that IBIS is also not so effective as, say, E-P3. Only a sensation for now, maybe its me.
     
  12. Halaking

    Halaking Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Dec 17, 2012
    Los Angeles
    Morris
    The EPL5's body might be too light cause more vibration? I got the same problem with EPM2.
     
  13. elandel

    elandel Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 16, 2010
    Milan, Italy
    Could be. I also have the E-p3 and IBIS seems more consistent, but maybe its only my feeling and not real world stuff.
     
  14. jyc860923

    jyc860923 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 28, 2012
    Shenyang, China
    贾一川
    just disable the IBIS to see if there's any improvement. I haven't tested the solutions yet but whenever I held the camera still enough and kept the IBIS off, the output is not motion-blurred.

    Besides, what lenses are you using?

    I think another way to ask the question is, is the 2 axis IBIS any good that we bother doing any research around it? I don't recall that it ever helped my shooting.
     
  15. Halaking

    Halaking Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Dec 17, 2012
    Los Angeles
    Morris
    It only happened to longer FL like 45mm, 40-150mm, I don't have problem with 17mm or 12mm.

    The 1/8 delay sometimes works better, but sometimes worse.
     
  16. elandel

    elandel Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 16, 2010
    Milan, Italy
    I usually shoot at the extremes: 9-18/14-54 MKII and 14-150; the 14-54 is my walkaround lens. Usually I have the 9-18 on one body and 14-54 on the other and when I finish with the UW I put on the 14-150. Then have the Oly 45 with a bunch of other lenses mainly vintage and MF, but have not tried them enough yet to have a precise opinion. My vintage lenses are mostly the very underrated Nikon E series (I think I have all the bunch, and today I'm going to get the 75-150 E series zoom).:biggrin:
     
  17. cptobvious

    cptobvious Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 8, 2013
    I had the same issue with my E-PL5. It kept happening when using the shutter button but not with the touchscreen shutter. I surmised it had to do with the IBIS kicking in when I half-pressed the shutter button and the sensor still vibrating during exposure, but not with the touch shutter. I wonder if the OM-D has the same issue, because I'd like to use a camera without relying on the touchscreen or adding shutter lag to fix the problem.
     
  18. jyc860923

    jyc860923 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 28, 2012
    Shenyang, China
    贾一川
    what you said, and I only experienced this with the Sigma 60 not the PL 25, I guess it it ture that it only affects the longer FL lenses. Great to know the touchscreen shutter avoids such problem but I never would expect anyone to feel like using the touchscreen shutter. so for zoom purpose the best options are Panasonic lenses with OIS I guess
     
  19. Fred S

    Fred S Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 20, 2012
    Calgary
    Fred S
    Is this with all shutter speeds or just the 100 to 160 range ?

    Thanks
     
  20. DHart

    DHart Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jan 7, 2010
    Scottsdale, Arizona
    Don
    Urgh.... :mad: This is the first I've heard of this issue. Is it a common, known issue affecting all E-PL5 models?

    I only recently received my E-PL5 and haven't shot it enough to experience this, but if the camera has quirky problems of this type, that one needs to tip-toe around when using different lenses, then, sadly, I'm done with it from the get go.

    To me, no camera is worth putting up with this kind of problem. With the E-P5 soon to be delivered, I'm now considering returning the E-PL5. :frown: