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Design a lens - street shooting zoom

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by carpandean, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. carpandean

    carpandean Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 29, 2010
    Western NY
    I picked up a lens this week, because I thought it was neat. However, after getting it and thinking about it, I decided that it really was a much better design in its native (35mm) system than it is adapted to the :43: system. The lens? A Minolta MD 24-35mm f/3.5 (pics to come in the "Show us your adapted lens" thread.)

    The thing is small, roughly the size of my MD 85mm f/2 prime lens, which being a later Minolta design is actually quite small for its stats, and is the same length (though slightly larger in diameter) as the Oly 9-18mm lens. Compared to other zooms designed for 35mm format, not much comes close in compactness to 24-35mm. It also covers what I imagine many street shooters would consider a very good range of focal lengths, basically the whole "wide-angle" category (on its native mount; adapted to :43:, it becomes just a ho-hum 48-70mm equivalent.) While not the brightest, f/3.5 is pretty good for a zoom (in fact, Minolta only made one faster zoom, the 40-80mm f/2.8, which had an odd handle on the side for zooming.) All that put together said to me that this was designed to be a pretty handy "one lens only" choice for walk-around, street shooting.

    As I said, though, on :43: it covers normal to short telephoto; nothing to get too excited about. So, I started thinking about what the best equivalent type of lens would be. From pure stats, that would be roughly a 12-17.5mm f/3.5, so naturally one would think of the Oly 9-18mm f/4.0-5.6. But I'm wondering if that's really the best possible design. As I said, the 24-35mm is the same length as the 9-18mm, despite being designed for a larger format, so one might suspect that they could do better in designing a lens specifically for the smaller :43: sensor.

    There's also rumored to be a 12-50mm f/2.5-3.0 zoom coming out. While that covers the intended range with speed, it also covers well above it into the telephoto range (up to 100mm equiv.) I would not expect this to be a small lens by any means.

    So, what would be the ideal? Is a single, fast prime best? Is the 9-18mm good enough? Would, say, a very compact 12-17mm f/2.8 (give or take on the max aper.) be better? I'm picturing something a wider than the 9-18mm, due to the larger maximum aperture, but a little shorter than a collapsed Oly 14-42mm lens due to its short zoom range.


    Note: when I talk about the "Minolta system" above, I'm referring to the SR/MC/MD system. Basically, how the lens compared to other lenses in that system. Later, Minolta AF lenses may have better stats, but this is a "relatively speaking" discussion and so I'm comparing it to its contemporaries.
     
  2. Streetshooter

    Streetshooter Administrator Emeritus

    Dec 15, 2009
    Phila, Pa USA
    Interesting. I had the 9-18 and sold it because 90% of the images were made between 14-18. So now I use the 14 & 20. I have the 17mm & 14-45 but will be selling them very soon. I don't use zooms because I frame better with primes. Primes make me work more by framing and seeing. I don't like the options a zoom offers.
    You asked what I would find as a good street zoom. I would maybe use a 12-20 with IS and about f2.2 - f3.3. Try and get it but I would if they made it.
     
  3. carpandean

    carpandean Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 29, 2010
    Western NY
    That would be a nice lens.

    Another interesting lens to throw in the mix: Soligor made a dual-focal 28/35mm lens. It was not a continuous zoom, but rather could switch between two discrete focal lengths. Basically, it was supposed to provide better images at each focal length than a zoom typically would; almost two primes in one lens. I wonder if such a design would still have the same advantages. It would also work better with your feelings about framing with primes. Perhaps a 12/18 or 12/20 with similar maximum apertures to what you suggest?
     
  4. Streetshooter

    Streetshooter Administrator Emeritus

    Dec 15, 2009
    Phila, Pa USA
    Years ago I was given a Leica 28-35-50.
    I used it alittle but didnt fall in love.
    I wish that the lens I described above worked like that.
    Instead of a sweep zoom, a step zoom.