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'Crop Factor Experiment'

Discussion in 'Other Systems' started by RT_Panther, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Here's my feeble attempt:
    -Both shots were on the same day at the same time, exact same spot
    -Hand held, no tripod (I was a bit hastened to back to work from lunch & I realize it would have been more precise with it)

    -Nikon 1 crop factor I believe is 2.7
    The shots have been re-sized but NOT cropped
    No post processing

    Shot "A"
    -Nikon N6006 (35mm Film)
    -70-210 lens at 210mm focal length

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    Crop Factor Exeriment: Full Frame by RedTail_Panther, on Flickr

    Shot "B"
    -Nikon 1 J1
    -30-110 lens at 110mm focal length

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    Crop Factor Exeriment: CX Nikon 1 by RedTail_Panther, on Flickr
     
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  2. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman Subscribing Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    and the point is ???

    K
     
  3. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Whatever you want :smile:
    (Sour milk today for you?) :smile:
     
  4. nickthetasmaniac

    nickthetasmaniac Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 11, 2011
    Same reason they climbed Everest - because it's there :smile:
     
  5. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Addendum:
    Ah...I think I know what's got you.....

    Next week I'll do the same shot but instead I'll use my E-PL2 & the M. Zuiko 14-150ED :smile:

    It will be a while before I develop the film though :wink:
     
  6. dhazeghi

    dhazeghi Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Aug 6, 2010
    San Jose, CA
    Dara
    Looks about right. Personally I see the 2.7x crop factor as regrettable, but I don't use long lenses.

    DH
     
  7. WJW59

    WJW59 Mu-43 Veteran

    235
    Feb 20, 2011
    That tower looks familiar.......

    Where was this taken?
     
  8. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman Subscribing Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    sorry .. unless i missed a memo i don't actually see what you are trying to prove other than the fact that a state of the art modern digital camera kicks the ass of a 10 plus year old analog camera... kinda got that 5 years ago

    K
     
  9. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Obviously sour milk....:smile:

    The point is to have a visual respresentation of what has been talked about in text so often here (crop factor) so yes, you "missed the memo" - but I'll take the heat for this for not being explicative enough for you in the first post...:smile:

    Anything else is your own interpretation :smile:
     
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  10. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Hey...shot was taken on Lackland AFB....
    Film is my experiment with Redscale.....:redface:
     
  11. luguidomanski

    luguidomanski Mu-43 Regular

    83
    Apr 11, 2010
    Curitiba, Brazil
    Luiz
    Y believe Kevin was thinking that there is no real comparison between both images. To make some sense, you should probably shoot @210mm with the full frame 35mm, and 210 / 2.7 = 77.77mm with the J1, so you should really see that the crop factor makes sense. Or not.

    My $0.02.
     
  12. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Good point here :smile:
     
  13. addieleman

    addieleman Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 5, 2010
    The Netherlands
    Ad
    On another note, the colour balance in the film shot seems ever so slightly off :wink:. I've looked seriously to see if it might be a toned B&W picture and I'm still not sure. It's one of the advantages of a solid-state sensor instead of a chemical one, a good colour accuracy that is easily attainable.
     
  14. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    :biggrin::redface::biggrin:
    The film shot colors are purposely "out of whack" because it's a Redscale film experiment of mine. I used Lomography XR Redscale 50-200 shot at ISO 25. Got a wild variance of hues with it......Here are some extreme samples from the same roll....

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    Honda by RedTail_Panther, on Flickr

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    Honda by RedTail_Panther, on Flickr
     
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  15. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman Subscribing Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    my point was that i didn't understand the purpose of the post...

    I understand the effect the crop factor has..I shoot 4/3, micro 4/3 and full frame and have enough legacy lenses to know the difference a smaller sensor makes...... it helps on the long end and sucks on wide angle

    I am sure the Nikon J1 is a very fine camera.. but my beef with the original post was 'what are you trying to prove'?... that a smaller sensor modern digital camera can produce bigger sharper images of a subject than a film camera... this is not really news....


    sorry.. i do seem to be missing something here....

    cameras don't take photographs ...people do

    K
     
  16. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman Subscribing Member

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    oh... one more thing... the first shot is much more interesting to me as a photo

    K
     
  17. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Kevin,
    I'm not trying to prove anything here...Again it's just meant to be a visualization of what I've seen discussed here many times but without a full frame & crop camera shot comparison.

    That is all, nothing more..nothing less....:smile:
     
  18. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    And as I stated earlier,
    This upcoming week, I'll try and get a similar shot but only with my E-PL2 & 14-150ED. :smile:

    I'm a visual kind of guy when discussing crop factors....:redface:
     
  19. John M Flores

    John M Flores Super Moderator

    Jan 7, 2011
    NJ
    The first one looks like something I'd see in a movie theater.
    The second one looks like something I'd see on cable.

    Screw sharpness and color accuracy and all that crap. My vote is for #1!

    Oh, and the motorcycles. Honda CBR600RR FTW!

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    Motorcycle: 2007 Honda CBR600RR in repose by john m flores, on Flickr
     
  20. meyerweb

    meyerweb Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    I don't think that Honda is going to win anything if you don't get some wheels and tires on it. :) 
     
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