Child photos on the internet

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by robbie36, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. robbie36

    robbie36 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Sep 25, 2010
    Bangkok
    rob collins
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdkLvzgfVNQ

    Now here's a tricky topic.

    The video is a bout a photographer who posted photos taken of his 2 year old daughter on the internet - Facebook/Instagram. He got villified by some of the internet community and had some of his social media accounts shut down (although they were reinstated).

    He responded by holding a one man photo exhibition of the photos.

    During the video (and also the exhibition) he seems to imply that it is the people attacking him that are the sickos. But I am willing to bet there were others far more balanced and reasonable who complained about the images too. And isnt he perhaps missing the point - given there are sickos prowling the internet do you really want to give them access to photos of your daughter?

    I find it a bit strange, that I am perfectly comfortable with these photos in a photo exhibition or a book (or a video) I guess but dont really like the idea of them being pushed out onto the internet through social media sites.
     
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  2. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    I do find this particular situation a little overboard on the photographer's part. Some of the photos are what I'd call tacky, which is fine for a family photo album and its limited audience, but totally inappropriate for public sharing on the internet of all places. Do I think these are inherently deviant photos in some way? Definitely not, but I think thus guy's whole tempest in a teacup is a prime example of the ridiculous oversharing of today's society. People plaster far too many tacky photos online for too large of an audience to see, and once photos like these leave a controlled audience and disperse to the four winds, you have an entirely different situation on your hands. I think this father should be protecting the exposure of his daughter, personally, and I know I would in that situation. So my gut reaction is, he's something of an idiot.
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  3. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    personal view

    the photos are fine collection of images by a father ( who seems to be a very competent photographer) of his daughter on a road trip

    what scares me is the reaction he got on social media... by what right do those anonymous posters get to take the 'moral' high ground? Who are they and what do we know about their agenda... why dont they debate the matter rather than insult?

    We seem to be living in a media world that is driven by fear rather than hope

    K
     
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  4. Neftun

    Neftun Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jul 15, 2012
    Norway
    Patrick Kristiansen
    This is an example of why I don't post photos of my daughter on any website. To quote Nick Cave: "People ain't no good". I won't give anyone the chance to misuse or misinterpret photos of my child. If anyone has the right to make different decision about that, it is my daughter herself, when she is old enough to. Until then, she's off the web. Simple.

    Tempest in a teacup? Yes this seem like one indeed.


    Patrick K
     
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  5. kevinparis

    kevinparis Cantankerous Scotsman

    Feb 12, 2010
    Gent, Belgium
    it saddens me that we live in a world full of fear of what bad things 'might' happen to the point that we stop celebrating good things that did happen.

    we all have to make personal choices... and I respect that... its when a minority use the power of the media , be it the internet or TV to bully their values on to us all that I start to get uneasy.

    K
     
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  6. edmsnap

    edmsnap Mu-43 Veteran

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    Dec 20, 2011
    Edmonton, Alberta
    The fact that he says that it's his right to document his naked child on the internet is a bit disturbing and frankly doesn't appreciate what the internet is. It's exactly the same tone that NAMBLA used to take when they'd get their 15 minutes in the spotlight. "People want to censor my diary!" - ya moron, don't put your diary online.

    I also couldn't help but wonder at what age he thinks it might be appropriate to stop posting naked pictures of his daughter on the internet. If she started doing it herself at 12, I wonder what his response would be to her expressionist form of art.

    In other articles, he's commented about how 2-year-olds just like to be naked and it's totally natural as if you walk anywhere in public and every child under 3 is bouncing around in the buff. Where I live, parents tend to teach their children about modesty and public appropriateness. Coincidentally, I believe that's the standard where he lives too.

    I'd have to agree with agentlossing... he seems to be something of an idiot.
     
  7. Levster

    Levster Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Personally I am happy to post modest photos of my son on this forum and on Facebook. Obviously on Facebook my account is protected so that only my friends will see these images, but I do not see much of an issue with the general public seeing an image of my son. At the end of the day my son is not a recluse and there are plenty of opportunities for those inclined to take photos when we are out and about in public. I would refrain from posting naked/nude photos, as in my opinion those should be reserved for the family album only.
     
  8. T N Args

    T N Args Agent Photocateur

    Dec 3, 2013
    Adelaide, Australia
    call me Arg
    What about an ebook? What about a free ebook?

    This topic, I think, is going to come down to opinions. Opinions stated as facts. :cool:
     
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  9. MajorMagee

    MajorMagee Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 24, 2011
    Dayton, OH
    As to the question about when the child is too old for pictures like these there is an old joke that sums it up.

    Why is if fine to say you love children, but you get arrested for saying you love twelve-year-olds?

    The real problem is that the Internet has revealed for us the sicko few out there that "love" two-year-olds...
     
  10. Narnian

    Narnian Nobody in particular ...

    Aug 6, 2010
    Midlothian, VA
    Richard Elliott
    This is an ongoing problem in all aspects of our lives where we give up rights because there are some who will abuse them. Usually it is the law abiding citizen who ends up inconvenienced or worse when we add more rules and regulations in attempts to restrict criminals.
     
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  11. fortwodriver

    fortwodriver Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 15, 2013
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Frank
    Lots of daycares and events now ask parents not to photograph their children. Even ten years ago, I was at a community event with my first wife and we were taking photos of our very photogenic nephew. The teachers very politely asked us to stop. Why? They were afraid that someone, somewhere in the audience might see it as an opportunity to take "unsavoury" photos of the kids.

    How on earth one takes an unsavoury photo of a child dressed up as "Joseph" in his technicolour dream coat is beyond me, but that's what they thought and that's what they wanted - I wasn't going to argue!

    There was an article in the local news a few days ago about taking photos of your own kids having fun:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/snapping-kid-pics-is-the-new-faux-pas/article20156775/

    A lot of the hysteria comes down to people not understanding the distribution medium. They think if you're taking a photo of a child, that photo will eventually make its way onto an unsavoury website somewhere. In fact, Facebook had a large part in developing that assumption when they started using community-posted photos in their ads without giving people an obvious way to opt out. Do you really want your 16 year old daughter being the face for a Cialis advert on Facebook?

    I know a few parents who are like that. If you even take out your iPhone and hold it "upright" so it looks like you're taking a photo of their kids you'll be confronted by an upset (usually) mom... The dads tend to be more relaxed about it (us uncles and dads have some funny stories).

    In the film days, the assumption was that your photo would end up in your photo album or your shoebox and stay there.
     
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  12. gpburdell

    gpburdell Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jul 16, 2014
    That'd be great - we'd end up with a great beach house and college completely paid for from the ensuing lawsuit due to the lack of a model release. :D

    Seriously, people are messed up. Worried about another parent photographing a school performance what what remote possibilities might occur... yet they parade personal info around town (stick figure decal dangers), social-media check-in to various gyms and schools and other places, tag and geo-locate photos posted online, etc.
     
  13. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    I have worked for years at a summer camp where we have a pretty good child protection policy, and the main thing that makes taking photos of kids and publicly sharing them difficult (mind you this is in completely clothed, non "weird" in any way shape or form!) is sadly because of things like custody battles, and some foster home situations. It's discouraging learning what kinds of troubles kids have to go through. The camp didn't restrict personal photos that way, however, because the photographer presumably takes responsibility for the sharing of the photo beyond the camp experience. Where the situation might be seen as falling under the camp's responsibility, it must be stricter.
     
  14. synthetictone

    synthetictone Mu-43 Regular

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    May 22, 2013
    Atlanta, GA
    Dean
     
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  15. ex machina

    ex machina Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 3, 2014
    Northern Virgnia
    Presumably she will be raised to not worry so much about such stuff.

    I can't watch the video here at work but read this article: http://petapixel.com/2014/08/22/pho...tos-of-his-3-year-old-heres-how-he-responded/ last week and was astonished at the attacks on this man. We are a truly a fear-filled society, at least in America, for which I blame perhaps a bit on our puritan heritage and largely the 24-hour Fear & Outrage Entertainment Complex™.
     
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  16. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    I'm no privacy fanatic, but I know I don't like nekkid baby photos of myself. On the internet? Not so much.
     
  17. Djarum

    Djarum Super Moderator

    Dec 15, 2009
    Huntsville, AL, USA
    Jason
    My parents had a ton of photos of me in the bathtub as a baby up to toddler age. They used to show them to all my friends when I became a teenager. They were taken in the early 80's. I'm sure if authorities saw them now they'd put my parents in handcuffs.
     
  18. gpburdell

    gpburdell Mu-43 Veteran

    248
    Jul 16, 2014
    Yes, I was being a bit facetious. The IP policy is why I don't post much on FB. Probably why I was looking at the example as Eli Lilly taking the photo from someone/somewhere and using it without permission. Technically though, if the photo had been posted by someone other than my daughter or myself (and my DD is well past 16 at this point) I suspect commercial (non-journalistic) use may remain restricted due to lack of a model release. Probably could also get a good spin up from various media outlets too.

    Nevertheless, the point stands and is good to remind people about. What's put out on the Internet is likely out there forever. Be particular.
     
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  19. fortwodriver

    fortwodriver Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Nov 15, 2013
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Frank
    Yeah, my parents have at least one pic of me sitting on the potty reading "What Do People Do All Day"...
     
  20. madmaxmedia

    madmaxmedia Mu-43 Veteran

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    Feb 20, 2010
    Some people overreacted to something that someone posted on the internet- that rarely ever happens. :rolleyes: (regardless of what is posted.)

    I think they are very cute photos (most don't have any real nudity anyway), and I don't think there's anything wrong with them. That being said, he shouldn't be surprised at some of the responses he got. If he is going get really upset about some peoples' comments, then he's better off not posting them.