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Canon Pixma Pro 100 tips/knowledge sharing thread.

Discussion in 'Printing' started by Wisertime, Jun 13, 2016.

  1. Wisertime

    Wisertime Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 6, 2013
    Philly
    Steve
    I know this is one of the quietest sections at MU-43, but wanted to start a dedicated thread for the Canon Pixma pro 100 users to share tips with each other and/or review papers/inks, and discuss things in general. Please feel free to share what you know/recommend etc.

    I'll start with some things I've learned since getting mine.
    Physical properties:
    It's big and heavy. 35+lbs and wide. It fits on a 2'x2' table and your feed trays will need room to stick out. It looks nice though.

    Feed trays confusion
    The actual Rear feed tray is called the Manual feed Tray. This is a source of confusion. Thicker papers (Premium Matte, Pro platinum) need to be fed one at a time through the "back" tray. The "rear" tray is the one on top and can handle more sheets for continuous feed. I also found that the manual feed tray often requires jiggling the paper to get it to feed when printing. And the top flap of the "rear" tray needs to be open (If I recall quickly...found this out by trial and error).

    Paper size/Matting considerations
    There is a box in canon properties to tick for auto detect paper size. I only found this recently. I've made mistakes not changing paper size manually (Lightroom doesn't seem to have this -clearly to find anyway). So I've bounced around swapping out printing 8x10 and 8.5x11 papers and got the print size wrong or the print(s) not centered. You have to double check everything. The printer won't tell you you are going to cut off your photo(s) or decenter them. Always check print preview in properties to avoid printing a mistake. It will show you if you are off center.

    While The printer does borderless prints, I've found I prefer the 8.5x11" paper w/border over an 8x10 borderless and I can still frame 8x10. YMMV. On the 13x19" papers I print to 12x16", because I've found it's more economical to buy pre-cut 16x20" mats with that size opening vs. 13x19" or other similar sizes. 16x20" is also easy to find frames for that are reasonably priced and fit my own mats.

    You can get 13x19" frames now at Michaels, but won't be able to mat a full sized photo. You could however print with a border to fit these. 13x19 backer boards would be harder to find. 16x20, 11x14, 8x10 much more available and inexpensive if buying in bulk.

    Matte papers and canvas do not print borderless by default. They force you to use an A30 art margin. You can workaround this by choosing a different paper in properties, but then you have to figure out how to compensate your settings to get the print to look how you want it to. Do so at your own risk. In some cases it might be fine like canvas, but with other papers, I suppose it could be a problem with ink getting on wheels or something.

    Reviews

    One of may useful in depth reviews I found.
    Canon PRO-100 printer review

    Papers. I'll cut and paste from another thread here. I've only really used Canon papers, because they are such a good deal and I'm more than happy with them so far. Continually impressed with the detail and color and I have quite a stock at this point with taking advantage of sales. I started with the Luster and Semi-gloss that I got w/the printer and felt they were pretty ideal. I always kinda preferred a luster finish. These papers are nearly identical. Differences are almost imperceptible. Someone shared photos of the finishes online to show the minor differences in sheet with some direct light. I'd probably still chose the luster over it.

    From another thread I posted.
    "..... Definitely try the Pro platinum paper. It's stunning. I thought the Luster & Semi-Gloss were very good, but Pro Platinum is just phenomenal for a more deep glossy look. I recently tried the Premium Matte paper, after printing my fist one on the wrong side, which was obviously disappointing...lol. I wasn't sure I was sold on it initially, but I did some larger prints and it too is quite awesome if you prefer Matte look...it even has a depth to it on my Black/white prints that is totally different in character to the glossy. It has a nice heft/feel to it like thick card stock and subtle texture. Just depends on the subject which one works better. It's also finicky about size you can print and can't do borderless without doing a workaround in the software, but having done so, I don't think I'd do borderless anyway...but I do wish it was more flexible (ie: I can't do 12x16" on matte). Forces you to chose A30 art margin, so prints are more like 11x16" on 13x19 paper, so I have to re-think my matting and presentation...."

    I've heard that the Hahnemule makes the Canon Premium Matte, but can't say for 100% certain and haven't used both brands, but maybe someone else can verify.

    I much prefer my own prints to stuff I've gotten from Shutterfly, Walgreens etc. Adorama has always been pretty good, but mine hold up equal or better.

    I did try some free 5x7 Canon Glossy II papers. They are basically like what you would get from a lab like Walgreens. Thinner than the premium stuff. Adequate clear prints with good color, but not stunning. Not too bad either, but they have been my least favorite of the Canon brand papers. You can also print 2-5x7" prints on an 8.5x11 sheet of the other papers or even more on the larger 13x19". Not all the premium papers come in the smaller sizes.

    I tried some Canson textured Watercolor paper 12x16" I got at an art store. I didn't much care for the result. Detailed became muddled, however this might work for a subject more impressionistic. I mainly picked it up intending to print some greeting cards on it.

    Canvas
    :
    This guy figured out a cheat to print canvas borderless for doing canvas wraps. Requires some manual adjustments and selecting a paper type other than canvas to circumvent Canon's blocking of borderless prints. I haven't tried it yet, but have a roll of 13"x20' Epson canvas paper matte to try sometime.


    another


    The tips are in the comments section.
    You can also (and should) use varnish or some type of UV coating on canvas prints to preserved them and prevent possible fading. There are tons of products on the market to use. I've personally used Decoupage/Craft glue (similar to Mod Podge) on paper prints to mount on canvas blocks and it works well. There's no bleeding or smearing. It mounts to the surface and you can put another coat on top of the print and give it a matte or gloss finish. It takes a small leap of faith. I would wait the 24 hr recommended drying period though before trying.


    INKS/Demos:
    I'll share a link to a guy on youtube (and DPreview) who is quite knowledgable about printers and third party inks. He also uses Epson, but has a lot of Canon Pixma videos on setting up the printer, using various papers, third party (precision) inks, which seem to be the most highly regarded third party inks I've read about, but not tried, yet. If you are considering that route, definitely check him out. He also does a lot of show and tell of his work w/this and other printers. He goes by Jtoolman or Jose Rodriquez. He also figured out a way to print beyond 19" in the software, so he was able to do a 12x24" panorama print.

    If you want to try their inks here is a link. I haven't tried myself, but plan on it. I have no affiliation, nor endorsing, just passing on what I've read and based on reviews.
    Precision Colors Home Page

    Saving $$

    Canon has frequent sales on paper and ink. I've taken advantage of buy one get 2 free and buy one get 3 free deals on paper via Canon direct. Shipping is fast and cheap and no sales tax. I got ink there last time, because when I factored in the $40 discount for bundling paper/ink promo and included all the freebie papers/sample packs they threw in, it was worthwhile. I was already buying a lot of paper on the order and made sense to combine it, though one single purchase can qualify. They charge $125 for ink. I normally buy on ebay for $80-90 shipped. Amazon usually has it between $99-110 per set. I also try to time purchases of ink on ebay with ebay bucks promotions, where I get 8-10% ebay bucks for purchases made during promo periods. That saves me an extra $7-10 on cost (ebay bucks redeemable for future purchases). Usually packs are from sellers who got a printer and are selling the ink/print head. They are sealed OEM packs, for those who are going to worry about counterfeits. Never had a problem with that.

    Paper | Canon Online Store

    For those who are considering buying one, there are quarterly rebates, so there's no need to ever pay full price. You can find these for $99-150 shipped plus free paper usually ...or if you are lucky like me (I wasn't even looking for a printer), got one for $49 shipped w/free paper (50 sheets 13x19) during an Adorama Flash sale. There is a current $250 rebate on now til 6/30/16.

    If you don't want to deal with that, simply check out your local Craigslist. In my city there are routinely a dozen listed at any given time. You can get one for $99-150 w/free paper, from someone who bundled when buying a camera who doesn't print or have room for one. Some people buy one on rebate, use/sell the ink & print heads separately, so make sure those are included. Usually they are unopened and just the bar code is removed, but sometimes someone tries to sell the printer body only stripped. Ebay also is loaded with these same deals, but shipping cost is more prohibitive.

    General Use

    It's a good idea to have backup ink at all times. You will run out of one color and need to replace and then it's like dominos...one after another. Using the precision inks, you can refill them all at once if you like and they recommend doing so. You need a chip resetter too. A starter kit w/ ink and chip resetter is under $100. Then you can get ink alone for $42 for 2oz bottles or save more when buying larger refill bottles. They also recommend completely cleaning the yellow carts or using one of their new/refurbished yellow carts that are included with purchase. There is a slight issue with refilling/mixing the ink, but you can read about it on their website.
    Maintenance
    Unlike pigment ink based printers the Pixma pro 100 can sit idle for longer periods without printing. I've found it a bit addicting personally, so I print most weeks, but I've also gone a few weeks without printing and not had any issues with clogging. It's a good idea to run periodic maintenance cleanings/checks as recommended though. Keep your printer covered when not in use to keep out dust/moisture..or in my case a leaky sealing that dripped on my printer and prints. It comes packaged with a big durable plastic bag that can be re-purposed as a dust cover.

    So what are your experiences? tips? Papers you love or hate? Have you used third party inks? Brag about your prints? Hopefully you made it this far.

    Please feel free to add your own tips/tricks and recommendations relating to the Pixma Pro 100 so we can all benefit and learn what works best.
     
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  2. kauphymug

    kauphymug Mu-43 Regular

    85
    May 1, 2015
    Cowford, Florida
    +1 on the Precision Color inks. I've done 2 refills on some of the inks and they are indistinguishable from the original. Make sure you get the chip re-setter if you decide to go that route.
    I originally bought refills then refilled the originals.
     
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  3. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    Alright, I have a Precision Color problem. I refilled all of my inks with the refill kit and now, for some reason, my blues are a lot darker and color shifted more towards violet. I emailed them and in reply they sent me to their color profiles page, I did download the profiles for my respective papers and I don't think it really fixed the problem. Has anyone else who has gone this route run into anything similar? It's a bit confusing, especially since I'm a novice with custom color profiles and most printer stuff in general...
     
  4. kauphymug

    kauphymug Mu-43 Regular

    85
    May 1, 2015
    Cowford, Florida
    I didn't have that problem. I totally purged each cartridge including the yellow they warn about. I got a couple 60ml veterinary syringes from Tractor Supply and purged all the color with plain tap water. I followed this with 3 shots of Windex glass cleaner then about 7 or 8 distilled water. I have a dryer on my compressor and set it for about 15 lbs and spent more time drying them out than the other steps.
    I haven't had any problem with any of the colors including the yellow.

    As far as paper profiles, I've had more luck with Canon Print Studio Pro where you print WYSIWYG if your monitor is calibrated. I've done several test prints on 5x7 and recorded the adjustments for papers I use in Studio Pro. It's a free download from here Print Studio Pro - PIXMA Professional Photo Printers - Canon UK
     
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  5. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    I use Print Studio Pro as well... I wonder if it's not some leftover Canon ink that's the problem. Not all of my tanks were completely empty. I will have to either run off a bunch more prints or perhaps drain some out of my tanks if I can ascertain which tanks might still have some OEM ink... Is it true that some of the Precision inks won't work well with OEM inks?
     
  6. kauphymug

    kauphymug Mu-43 Regular

    85
    May 1, 2015
    Cowford, Florida
    I'm not aware of any compatibility issues, I just figured to start off like they were new so I could assess the inks on their own.
     
  7. Wisertime

    Wisertime Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 6, 2013
    Philly
    Steve
    From what I've heard, they mix fine, except maybe yellow, but again I have no experience yet.
     
  8. jayweh32

    jayweh32 New to Mu-43

    6
    Apr 14, 2014
    I have used Precision Colors and mixed all of the colors except yellow, I have had no issues or color shifts. My monitor is not calibrated but I have learned how to print around it and still get great results.

    Papers:
    I mainly use Canon paper and have really enjoyed the Luster and Matte. I have almost all paper made by Canon. Personally I have not enjoyed printing on the Pro Platinum as much as I thought I would. I will have to test it out again soon.

    I have never had to use the rear flat feeder even with the Canon Matte and Pro Platinum. They both have fed fine through the top feeder no bends or creases. Now for canvas or a heavy matte which I have not tried I would stick to the rear flat feeder.

    I have sampled the Red River package they have available to try. I can say that their Polar Pearl Metallic gives some great prints especially for landscapes. It adds a bit of warmth to the print. I would recommend for everyone to try the sampler from Red River.
     
  9. Wisertime

    Wisertime Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 6, 2013
    Philly
    Steve
    Thanks for sharing your results. Are you selecting the paper type when you print? The only reason I used the manual feed tray was because it would not print unless I did so (pop up message). This is where the confusion started coming in with the stupid naming of feed trays.

    I'm curious why you didn't like the Pro Platinum? Much of preference is a personal thing and subject matter makes a difference, but I find the pro platinum so vibrant, luminescent and with a lot of depth, especially shiny objects. Almost as if you are looking at a computer screen. I find the Matte really cool too, but I think it's subject dependent as to which is more appealing. I considered getting the Red River samples too, but I have so many Canon papers like you, I'm just not ventured there yet.
     
  10. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    I may drain the yellow tank some when I am up to it. Hopefully that is the issue.
     
  11. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Barry
    Hi, Ikea was selling their Fjallsta frames (wood & glass) in 16x20" with 12x16" mat for around $20, although it looks like they may be discontinued.
    How much are you finding frames and mats for?

    Thanks,
    Barry
     
  12. Wisertime

    Wisertime Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 6, 2013
    Philly
    Steve
    I got a few SILVERHÖJDEN for $9.99 SILVERHÖJDEN Frame - 16x20 They look good w/black mats.
    I got a thicker black wood frame there, but it's slightly smaller than a 16x20 mat will fit. Their mats are ok compared to Michaels though. I think it was around $20.

    I get mats in bulk from Mat Board, Pre-Cut Picture Mats, photo mats, Frame matting- GoldenStateArt.com If you buy 25-50 at a time w/bags/backer combo w/free shipping your cost is like $1.50-2 per mount. The fancier ones are more expensive as well as the less common sizes. You can buy individually too, but then you pay a lot more and have to pay shipping and they are in CA (good for you, not for me). They also sell on ebay/amazon and sometimes I get a good deal there with free shipping (much faster than usual...2 days vs. a week). I really like their V-Groove mats, but I'm worried they might be phased out.
     
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  13. jayweh32

    jayweh32 New to Mu-43

    6
    Apr 14, 2014
    I print from the lightroom and do select the paper type in lightroom and the print driver. It did not make me switch the trays. I only did an 8x10 if that matters I am not sure. To be honest it just didn't seem to be enough of a difference to make me select Pro Platinum over other similar less expensive paper. I need to try to print with it again. The one print I did I accidentally had a few out of gamut colors and it washed out a bit so it was not as intended.

    I am not saying that it was not a good paper just that I have read reviews of Pro Platinum being this amazing paper and I guess I just had higher expectations for it than what it provided. I will do a print with Luster Pro Platinum and some Red River Glossy paper types to get a better idea.
     
  14. Wisertime

    Wisertime Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 6, 2013
    Philly
    Steve
    Interesting. I'll have to try from the rear feed again. I also read the reviews beforehand and thus why I tried the Pro Platinum (I was very satisfied with the others already) and I was still blown away. I still like the other papers, but the Platinum is just even more life-like. Though I will print different papers for different images too. Try printing something w/punchy colors when you do.