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Canon EF 100-400mm on a GF3 with an adapater - Trying to shoot moon

Discussion in 'Adapted Lenses' started by emirabal, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. emirabal

    emirabal Mu-43 Regular

    No literally, i was trying to shoot the moon and i was having dificulties, i will try again tonight and see what i can get. I have been using M mode with ISO at 160, lens at 400, foccus somewhere past infinity and/or at it, shutter speeds vary, on a tripod (not a SOLID one but it was a 7 dollar tripod that i picked up), last night was pretty clear, no control of aperture, white balance i played around with a little.

    Lens - Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
    Camera - Lumix DMC-GF3
    Adapter - RAINBOWIMAGING Canon EOS EF Lens to Micro 4/3 Four Thirds System Camera Mount Adapter
    Tripod - NEEWER® Professional Aluminum 50" Tripod

    I almost feel like the moon might be moving so ill increase the shutter speed and see what happens.

    Am i doing something wrong. Any advice would be useful.
     
  2. bilzmale

    bilzmale Mu-43 All-Pro

    You are right - the moon is moving and you need a fast shutter speed. I got help from this site.
     
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  3. emirabal

    emirabal Mu-43 Regular

    Thanks while i laugh

    I just read this and was reading that same page, that's good news, im on the right path.
     
  4. pxpaulx

    pxpaulx Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 19, 2010
    Midwest
    Paul
    A $7 tripod won't exactly be cutting it at 800mm equivalent focal length - you're probably better off hand holding (though I'm sure its heavy!). That is some good advice on the linked page. With the basic support I would guess you'll need at minimum 1/200th shutter, likely faster. Also, at this focal length the moon is moving quite fast - if you watch it steadily you should actually be able to see the movement. Also, posting an example (no matter how bad you might think it is!) will greatly assist us in providing better feedback for your next try.
     
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  5. ripleys baby

    ripleys baby Straw clutcher

    609
    Aug 10, 2011
    The moon is moving but most of the movement is us ! init
     
  6. emirabal

    emirabal Mu-43 Regular

    This was my best ones

    I put a few of the best ones (relatively speaking)

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    Those two might be the same. checking.
     
  7. emirabal

    emirabal Mu-43 Regular

    The rest - All a little blurry

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    Mostly all the same, im using skydrive for now, if its to slow let me know.
     
  8. pxpaulx

    pxpaulx Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 19, 2010
    Midwest
    Paul
    You'll get much better results waiting for a larger piece of the pie, so to speak (i.e. a full moon!). That will allow you to boost shutter speed significantly.
     
  9. usayit

    usayit Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Yes.. moon is moving so you can't use really long exposures.

    Mine was shot on an E-PL1 + adapted Takumar 500mm @ f/8 (i think) on a very stable tripod. ISO was 100 and exposure was 1/90 sec. I metered off of the moon itself with a spot meter and positioned the brightest portions right smack in the middle. Increased exposure ever so slightly in post....

    https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6591540307_ba939f08cf_b.jpg
     
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  10. Crdome

    Crdome Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Sep 11, 2011
    West Central Indiana
    Chrome
    Hand held vs: tripod

    I'm sorry, I can't believe hand held is going to be better than a telephoto even on a crappy tripod, if its steady and not blowing in the wind. Of course I'd use the 2 sec timer as well.
     
  11. Crdome

    Crdome Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Sep 11, 2011
    West Central Indiana
    Chrome
    Your tripod!

    If you are using a $1500 lens, a decent tripod ought to be a priority. I think mine was $170 from the local, family professional photo store.

    Please check out my response thread #8 near bottom regarding tripods. https://www.mu-43.com/f40/too-heavy-mount-damage-24787/

    Your lens and mine are approximately the same length and weight though yours has a better weight distribution and balanced. My f/1.5 front element is more massive and extremely front heavy designed for a shoulder-held television camera lens. I assume the body weighed 20-30 lbs and the waist cinched battery pack another 50lbs.

    There are certainly very inexpensive, all metal tripods from the early 1970's, that can support your setup properly, though I'd go new. I used an all aluminum, fully extended "Hollywood" tripod from the early 1970's, during 30mph wind to shoot this image.

    Billowing_Vapors.


     
  12. InlawBiker

    InlawBiker Mu-43 Veteran

    218
    Feb 1, 2012
    Seattle, WA
    Greg
    Did you switch off IS on the lens? I only ask this because last Fall when we had the blood moon, I went out at 4:30am to get photos of the moon on a tripod and had forgotten to turn off the OIS the whole time. I'm still effing mad about it! I hope this is not the case for you.

    Nice lens, by the way.
     
  13. usayit

    usayit Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    I believe if the lens is being adapted, the IS on the Canon lens will not be functioning. Btw... yes... nice lens. I had one during my decade with Canon. It was one of the first IS equipped lenses and I am so surprised that Canon has yet to update it.
     
  14. kinlau

    kinlau Mu-43 Top Veteran

    836
    Feb 29, 2012
    The moon is only at 26%, so we can't quite do sunny 16 yet, but a full moon is essentially an object being lit by the full sun, which on your setup, would be f5.6, iso 100'ish, 1/400. Handholding and focusing on a GF would be a pain, I can't see your pics, but if you're finding it soft, it might be a focus issue. A 1/4 moon is about 2 stops darker, so bumping up to iso 400 should get you there with a fast enough shutter speed of 1/400, I would not go any slower.
     
  15. pxpaulx

    pxpaulx Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 19, 2010
    Midwest
    Paul
    I agree, but really both are useless - even with a 10 second timer you'd be hard pressed to get rid of shake on an cheap tripod at that focal length.

    For shooting the moon with a 400mm lens, I would recommend what I use for my tamron 300mm f2.8, this tripod (the 4 section version - I was hesitant on the 4 section until I discussed with Kerry, really big camera's site owner, and found out that the 4 section is equivalent to the series 5 gitzo, and the smallest tube is actually thicker in diameter than the gitzo series 3 largest tube diameter):

    Feisol CT-3371 and CT-3471 at ReallyBigCameras.com

    and this head:

    Jobu Jr.3 Gimbal Kit

    I've already learnt my lesson about spending in the low to mid-range on a tripod (i.e. $170), if the OP is serious about getting a solid tripod then I would suggest reading this article:

    Tripods and Ball Heads by Thom Hogan

    So, that is my real advice, but not everyone wants to spend $600-700 on their first tripod setup, which is why I tried to be a little more practical.
     
  16. emirabal

    emirabal Mu-43 Regular

    Thanks for all the tips guys, last night was so cloudy (NYC) i couldnt see anything. Tonight should fare better.
     
  17. emirabal

    emirabal Mu-43 Regular

    Just tried the shots tonight and i noticed a few things,

    1. the focus is tough especially when mounted on a tripod, using the focus assist helped but it still left wiggle room
    2. i think not being able to switch the aperture might be hurting a little (any thoughts on this)
    3. Tripod is way to weak, im going to weight until the moon is on the horizon and just rest it on something.
    4.Real windy tonight by me, i can see it in the picture and the movement
    5.tried several settings, it seems like the thing i need most besides a stable setup is time
     
  18. usayit

    usayit Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    1- focus on infinity
    2- Attach to a canon, set aperture, stopmit down via the dof preview button, power off the camera. The lens will stay at that aperture
    3- Get a better tripod.... get a used manfrotto or bogen... not much to break and they last forever. One of mine was 35 bucks at a camera swap.
    4- tripod, wind sheild, weight down the tripod with a bag of stuff
     
  19. emirabal

    emirabal Mu-43 Regular

    Here are some of the shots from tonight, i was messing with the white balance to try and get different color moons. The shutter was increased and i tried different methods for calculating shutter and iso. Other than that its just what was listed above.

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  20. emirabal

    emirabal Mu-43 Regular

    Yeah, i was trying to weigh it down best i could, unfortunately i dont have a canon, i will tomorrow when i visit my sister, she has a canon (but ill just shoot with that). The focus on infinity shows up blurry in the shots. Its a little confusing actually, i stop right before infinity.

    Ill try again in an hour or so.