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Bokeh & DOF Test of Olympus 45mm vs Voigtlander 42.5mm

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by parka, Jul 11, 2014.

  1. parka

    parka Mu-43 Regular

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  2. wildwildwes

    wildwildwes Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jun 9, 2012
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    Thanks for sharing.... That said, the end result was kiind of disappointing because one is not able to view the Olympus images larger (as one can the Voightlander). What's the point?!? :dash2:
     
  3. parka

    parka Mu-43 Regular

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    Just updated the links. They are now linked to their 1600px wide sizes.
     
  4. LowriderS10

    LowriderS10 Monkey with a camera.

    May 19, 2013
    Canada
    Thanks for posting this. I've been wanting the Voigtlander since it came out but time and time again I'm convinced that for outdoor shooting it's not worth the price and weight over the Olympus. I think the m43 bokeh king is still the O75.
     
  5. aonavy

    aonavy Mu-43 Regular

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    Nov 25, 2012
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    George
    looks like at .95 the image is junk. I would only shoot at 1.7
     
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  6. LowriderS10

    LowriderS10 Monkey with a camera.

    May 19, 2013
    Canada
    At which point you might as well get the O45, which seems to have roughly the same IQ at equivalent apertures.
     
  7. tomO2013

    tomO2013 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 28, 2013
    I wouldn't say the voigtlander 42.5 is junk at all. Its one of the finest lens in the m43 arsenal. Stop it down the same as the oly 45 and it is sharper, more contrast, smoother bokeh, and a real film like rendering. It also renders to my eyes anyway nicer skin tones. The voigtlander lenses produce some of the least digital renderings I've seen on any digital camera.
    It's also possible that the author got a bad copy (although at the price of the voigtlander you would hope sample variances were non existent.).
    At f0.95 pretty much most ultra fast glass vignettes , is soft in the corners and is not as sharp until you stop it down.
    The leica noctilux did this too and lots of people hold that lens in high regard.
    This is a specialist lens - for portraits of women this would be amazing. Check out some of lisandras images in the voigtlander 42.5 sample image thread. Razor sharp stopped down, possibly sharper than the oly 75 and even wide open, in the centre is still extremely sharp for such a fat aperture. For portraits it's perfect.
    I own the nocticron myself and would still see the voigtlander as an equally excellent lens for its amazing character - something many lenses lack today in the pursuit of perfect dxo scores.
     
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  8. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
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    As a past owner of many Voigtlander lenses, I didn't think they were anything exceptional. Wide open they exhibited significant purple fringing and lacked sharpness as well (these were M mount used with Voigtlander adapter). My old Minolta CLE and Leica lenses made the Voigtlander lenses look pretty shabby.
     
  9. LowriderS10

    LowriderS10 Monkey with a camera.

    May 19, 2013
    Canada
    I like this thread...interesting viewpoints.

    I really don't know what to think of the Voigtlander. I really, really, really want to love it, because it's beautiful and ridiculously fast. But...after trying a few copies, and reading/looking at way too many reviews, samples, etc on it...I'm still not sold. Yes, it does have a lot of character, and the shots out of this lens are very unique...but the "character" seems to come from flaws. Lack of sharpness at wide apertures, lack of saturation, etc. I'm certainly not hating on this lens, I think it's a beautifully-crafted piece of equipment, capable of some great things...but is it better than a film-era 50 f1.2 that'll run you a fraction of the Voigtlander's cost? I'm not sure...all I'm saying is that I really understand the people who simply go O45 over this lens and spend the $600 leftover elsewhere.
     
  10. tomO2013

    tomO2013 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Oct 28, 2013
    Agreed about older voigtlanders. They were not as sharp as the leica glass.... Were.

    The newer vm mount voigtlanders e.g the 50mm nokton 1.5 and 35 1.2 II are fantastic on m240 from every sample that I've seen, and for a faction of the price too. Perhaps manufacturing all that Zeiss glass has taught them a thing or two...
    Their four thirds lenses - well check out the sample images forum and see how some people use this effect to get a very creamy 3d look. Voigtlander are on a roll these days. Their glass is particularly well suited to video too with their clickless design.
    I think people need to keep their expectations in check... F0.95. That's crazy fast. Light gathering and night time shooting possibilities are huge. Show me an f0.95 piece of glass that doesn't suffer from some CA and vignetting wide open sub 3000 dollars?!?! Even the original noctilux suffered with this and that is still highly sought after.
    As for softness... softness is at the edge of the frame. The centre is still very sharp, particularly so for a f0.95 glass. Also I wonder are we confusing coma with softness... Ironically a flaw to some and a dreamy rendering to others that people are willing to pay silly money for fast glass with coma in the same vein as the f0.95 noctilux, older canon 50 0.95.
    Finally keep in mind this lens was designed on a computer but manufactured in the classical sense for a digital body. This shows in its hybrid style of rendering - 'flaws' are corrected as best possible in body, explaining the size, weight and speed differences. Lens from Olympus and Panasonic typically have much more barrel distortion at this focal length but correct for this in lens firmware and that is automatically applied in post. Voigtlanders have no firmware in the lens to correct for such distortions. You need to do this in post yourself, but most is really fixable with the touch of a slider in lightroom.


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  11. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    I'm talking about the latest Voigtlanders like the 28mm f2, 50mm f1.1, 75mm f1.8 etc. I owned them and would never rave about them. I'm glad I sold all of them.
     
  12. tomO2013

    tomO2013 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    To be fair. I couldn't comment on those as I never used or saw them. But each manufacturer has their lemons. Leica was certainly never immune.

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  13. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    All of the Voigtlanders exhibited the same issues, it wasn't just having a lemon, it was due to the design, lens coatings etc that made them what they were. Fine if you stopped down to around f4, but then what's the point of making an f1.8/f2 lens in the first place?
     
  14. tomO2013

    tomO2013 Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    The nokton 50mm 1.5 doesn't by every account, nor does the 35mm 1.2! Both get rave reviews and judging by online samples with my own eyes, both are great examples of cosina going from strength to strength.
    Anyway keeping on topic and their m43 efforts.. The CA is easily correctable in post. And not 'soft' relative to most good small format lenses wide open that are very fast. I bought the 17.5 over the Oly 17 because I preferred the rendering and happen to think it's a vastly superior lens even when stopped down to the same aperture. The contrast is better, colours are better and it is Oly 75 bitingly sharp. I also happen to like the star shaped light effects that the 10 blades give you. Not everybody needs or should shoot wide open but combined with their very close focus capabilities I can see many other reasons besides low light and video to pick up an f0.95 voigtlander lens for the m43 system. voigtlanders provide further creative options for the system allowing for some really creative shots that you cannot get with other lenses in the system sooc and a very different look, a hybrid film / digital look as I mentioned already... (and film in the really good sense ;) ).
    Again one man's cheese is another man's fungus with lenses.
    It would be boring if we all agreed and liked the same thing.
    Tom.



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