Best Subject Isolation / 3d Pics.

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by broncophil, Apr 21, 2013.

  1. broncophil

    broncophil Mu-43 Veteran

    May 23, 2010
    Was looking through my pics and noticed that the best pics I have in my library are from a 7d + 135L like below..

    Is m4/3 capable of such pics?

    Would a 75 1.8 + OMD give me something similar?

    this is not the best "technical" picture, but it shows what i'm looking for.

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  2. MAubrey

    MAubrey Photographer

    Jul 9, 2012
    Bellingham, WA
    Mike Aubrey
    Well, those aren't really equivalent. In terms of DOF and AOV, a 135mm f/2 on a 7D would be more like a 108mm f/1.7 on μ43 (i.e. FF 216mm f/3.4).

    In comparison to a Canon APS-C format camera like the 7D, the Olympus 75mm f/1.8 would be better compared to an 85mm f/1.8--given the difference in the size of the circles of confusion, the DOF is nearly identical, though the Canon will have a slightly wider AOV.
  3. sugarbaker

    sugarbaker Mu-43 Regular

    Jan 6, 2013
    Seattle, WA
  4. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
  5. beanedsprout

    beanedsprout Mu-43 Veteran

    Apr 13, 2013
    north central Ohio
    Like this?
  6. LowTEC

    LowTEC Mu-43 Regular

  7. mattia

    mattia Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 3, 2012
    The Netherlands
    From what I've seen, the 75 is the lens in the MFT system that will get closest to the 135L in terms of quality. I'm still pondering purchase (priority is the underwater strobe, however), since the 135 is by far my favourite portrait lens on my 5DII.
  8. broncophil

    broncophil Mu-43 Veteran

    May 23, 2010
    Nice. More of what i was looking for....
  9. Bhupinder2002

    Bhupinder2002 Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    EPL2 with Panasonic 45-200 mm
    P3239368.jpg ISO1600_200_1:500.jpg
  10. bigkidneys

    bigkidneys Mu-43 Regular

    Dec 20, 2010
    Pensacola, florida
    The 135L is by far my most favorite lens in the Canon lineup. Great isolation and the contrast and sharpness is almost too much in some cases but love it none the less. The 75 is pretty close IMO to it. I've had some images with the PL 25 that came close but not quite the same.
  11. spatulaboy

    spatulaboy I'm not really here Subscribing Member

    Jul 13, 2011
    North Carolina
    To me, Subject Isolation and 3D pop are not always the same things. In your example the subject isolation is pretty extreme and, to me anyway, it takes away a bit of the 3D effect in the photo.

    But to answer your question, yes you can get both 3D pop and Subject Isolation with Micro Four Thirds. I will dig around for some examples!
  12. spatulaboy

    spatulaboy I'm not really here Subscribing Member

    Jul 13, 2011
    North Carolina
    I think this first image matches yours pretty well for subject isolation purposes. It's taken with a Minolta MD Rokkor 135mm f2.8 lens. There is no native equivalent at the moment, but Panasonic has the 150mm f2.8 on the way by end of the year. Expect similar (better) results. Personally this look is not to my tastes. I think it flattens the image and make people look like cardboard cutouts.
    <a href="" title="P1360457-1 by Vincent-F-Tsai, on Flickr"> 7714772878_ce34ae69fa_c.jpg "800" height="600" alt="P1360457-1"></a>

    This second is done with the Olympus 75mm 1.8. In my opinion this is plenty of subject isolation.
    <a href="" title="Laura pink sweater by Vincent-F-Tsai, on Flickr"> 8379971213_a5d4e789ec_c.jpg "800" height="534" alt="Laura pink sweater"></a>

    This is a portrait done with the Olympus OM Zuiko 50mm 1.4. I find the 45-50mm range to be the sweet spot for portraits on m4/3.
    <a href="" title="William by Vincent-F-Tsai, on Flickr"> 8607818867_9bf7c41228_c.jpg "800" height="600" alt="William"></a>

    Another one with a 50mm, this with the Minolta MD 50mm f1.4
    <a href="" title="Skull Dress 2 by Vincent-F-Tsai, on Flickr"> 8650437974_e8d011f689_c.jpg "800" height="534" alt="Skull Dress 2"></a>

    This is with the Olympus 45mm f1.8. Once again, I think this focal range is great for portraits on m4/3.
    <a href="" title="Street Style 4 by Vincent-F-Tsai, on Flickr"> 8492758983_7dc8fdafda_c.jpg "800" height="600" alt="Street Style 4"></a>

    Now the next two are shot with the Pana Leica 25mm f1.4. Even though they have the least subject isolation, I find this lens gives me more consistent images with great 3D 'pop'.
    <a href="" title="Fence by Vincent-F-Tsai, on Flickr"> 8513965169_df006af6fd_c.jpg "800" height="600" alt="Fence"></a>

    <a href="" title="Laura Shooting by Vincent-F-Tsai, on Flickr"> 8146675005_33c9dd4353_c.jpg "600" height="800" alt="Laura Shooting"></a>

    So I guess what I'm saying is, yes, you can get similar results on m4/3. I am eagerly awaiting Panasonic's 42.5mm f1.2 end of this year/early next. You might want that 150mm f2.8 I mentioned. In the mean time I think the Oly 75mm will serve you well. Happy shooting!
  13. Cederic

    Cederic Mu-43 Veteran

    Nov 14, 2012
  14. Bokeaji

    Bokeaji Gonzo's Dad O.*

    Aug 6, 2011
    Austin, TX
    i think these have a certain POP to them
    not all are actually GOOD pics, but they felt POP-y to me, lol

    most are pl25 @1.4 (yay nd filters)
    and ALL of them have some vignette added... i think this is part of the pop-ness

    its totally not all about a fast aperture
    its like the way the lens and sensor handle the bokeh... pretty bokeh doesnt always make POP


    i know i didnt have to look far in my rx1 folder to find pop photos tho
    that lens is dynamite! heres a link to dropbox with some rx1 files.. didnt wanna spam em in the thread tho














  15. Bokeaji

    Bokeaji Gonzo's Dad O.*

    Aug 6, 2011
    Austin, TX
    oh and another terrible shot, with the bodycap lens, not even clear, but it still has a FEEL to it... it and the pl25 are my 2 more POP feeling lenses i tried.. the 75/1.8 has a lot of isolation, but not much POP from what ive seen

    oly 15/8 cap lens by Gubrz, on Flickr
  16. b_rubenstein

    b_rubenstein Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 20, 2012
    Melbourne, FL
    The concept is to lead the viewer's eye to the subject, not isolate the subject from everything else in the frame. If it was, all the good pictures would be shot against white seamless.
  17. broncophil

    broncophil Mu-43 Veteran

    May 23, 2010
    thank you for these.. i guess it is possible for the "look" that i'm going for.. and i actually think the first one looks good, and to me it doesnt look like a cardboard cut out.. once again.. thanks for these..

  18. broncophil

    broncophil Mu-43 Veteran

    May 23, 2010
    i like your processing.. thanks for sharing
  19. spinyman

    spinyman Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Nov 19, 2010
    San Diego
    Pretty good pop with the PL25 here.

  20. zethanos

    zethanos Mu-43 Regular

    Apr 20, 2013
    ZR Li