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Best budget 50mm with short flange distance?

Discussion in 'Adapted Lenses' started by Jonathan F/2, Mar 13, 2013.

  1. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    I've been looking at adapted 50s, but I'm specifically looking for one with a short flange distance. Also, I don't really want to spend much money on this 50. I currently use a Nikon 50 1.8, which is nice and sharp, but I want something a bit more compact. So far from my research, the Jupiter 8 seems to be well regarded. Any other lenses I should check out? Thanks!
  2. DeeJayK

    DeeJayK Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 8, 2011
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    In terms of register, looking at Leica M or L39/M39 screw mount lenses is obviously a good place to start. Another option would be C-mount, but the options there are going to be much narrower. You might also consider Pentax 110 or Pen F mounts.

    Besides compactness, what other attributes are you looking for? Is close focus/macro ability important to you at all? Do you want something that is ultra fast? What are you planning to use this lens for? How much are you looking to spend?

    Although I have yet to try on, the Jupiter-8 (52/2) seems to be a well-regarded Zeiss copy. You might also consider the Jupiter-3 (52/1.5) which is a copy of a Zeiss Sonnars 50/1.5 although the J-3 is going to be harder to find and likely much more expensive. I've also read that the quality of individual Jupiter-3 copies is much more hit-and-miss than that of the Jupiter-8.
  3. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    Basically for portraiture shots. I'm fine with an f/2 minimum aperture. I already have a 25/1.4 c-mount lens, so no need for one in the 50mm range. I also don't want to spend more than $50 since my Nikon 50 1.8 was only $45! :wink:
  4. DeeJayK

    DeeJayK Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 8, 2011
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    That narrows the field down quite a bit. Among the former USSR M39 mount lenses, the Jupiter 8 is probably the only one I'm aware of that fits those parameters and can be had for around $50. The Jupiter 3 generally sells around $200 in M39 although you can sometimes find it a bit cheaper in Contax RF (a.k.a. Kiev) mount.

    Here is a good overview (part 1, part 2 and part 3) of these former USSR lenses that you might want to read before you dive in.
  5. Cruzan80

    Cruzan80 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 23, 2012
    Denver, Co
    Sean Rastsmith
    Do you need it small for shooting, or for travel? The Industar 22 or 50 is a 50mm f3.5 lens that comes in a collapsable version in m39 mount, rendering it even smaller for travel.
  6. drewbot

    drewbot Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Oct 21, 2011
    Toronto, ON
    Jupiter 8...
  7. manzoid

    manzoid Mu-43 Regular

    Jun 9, 2011
    The 40mm 1.8 Hexanon would be a good choice if you are okay with 40mm. I have it and the J8 and with adapter and lens they are within a few millimetres in length of each other.

    The Konica is slightly faster, focuses to 45cm and sharpens up better on stopping down. J8 has nicer 'bokeh' in my opinion and is smaller in diameter but has a 1m minimum focusing distance. Weight+adapter seems pretty close too.
  8. dbuckle

    dbuckle Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Konica Hexanon lenses have about the shortest lens flange of any brand. If you are looking for a 50mm the 1.8 can be had very cheap. I found a new one for $30. It is light and takes almost as sharp a photo as the 1.7, it is only slightly longer than the 40mm.
    Four Sisters by dbuckle2695, on Flickr
    From left to right the 50mm 1.4, 50mm 1.7, 50mm 1.8 and 40mm 1.8.
  9. DeeJayK

    DeeJayK Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 8, 2011
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    I believe that this statement is true with regard to SLR mounts, but the register distances of the rangefinders, such as the M39 discussed above are shorter still.

    I agree that the Konica 40/1.8 + adapter is a quite compact option.
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  10. digitalandfilm

    digitalandfilm Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jul 18, 2011
    I have an inexpensive Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar f2.8, it's not the fastest, but it is sharp from 2.8 on and small:


    Check Google or Craigslist... I've seen them for $50-60 in Exc-Mint shape.
  11. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
  12. edmsnap

    edmsnap Mu-43 Veteran

    Dec 20, 2011
    Edmonton, Alberta
    For reference-sake, flange-distances:

    Mount_____________________Flange focal distance
    Pentax Q mount_____________9.2 mm
    D mount___________________12.29 mm
    Nikon 1-mount______________17 mm
    C-mount___________________17.52 mm
    Fujifilm X-mount_____________17.7 mm
    Canon EF-M mount__________18 mm
    Sony E-mount______________18 mm
    Sony FZ-mount_____________18 mm
    Micro Four Thirds System____19.25 mm
    Samsung NX-mount_________25.50 mm
    RED ONE mount___________ 27.30 mm
    Leica M mount_____________27.80 mm
    M39 (Leica) Screwmount_____28.80 mm
    Contax G__________________29.00 mm
    Olympus PEN F_____________28.95 mm
    Contax RF-mount___________34.85 mm
    Nikon S-mount_____________34.85 mm
    Olympus Four Thirds System__38.67 mm
    Konica AR_________________40.70 mm
    Canon FL__________________42.00 mm
    Canon FD mount____________42.00 mm
    Start (Soviet SLR)___________42.00 mm
    Minolta SR-mount____________43.50 mm
    Pentax K mount_____________45.46 mm
    M42_______________________45.46 mm
    Contax C/Y Mount___________45.50 mm
    Olympus OM mount__________46.00 mm
    Nikon F-mount______________46.50 mm
    Leica R mount______________47.00 mm

    What about the Industar 50-2 in M39 mount? Can't get much flatter than that and eBay starts offering good copies for $25. I've seen a lot of very nice photos taken with it. Great colour, good character.
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  13. snaimpally

    snaimpally Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Dec 31, 2012
    Industar 50mm M39 pancake
  14. DeeJayK

    DeeJayK Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 8, 2011
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    What's the maximum aperture on the Industar?
  15. Cruzan80

    Cruzan80 Mu-43 All-Pro

    Aug 23, 2012
    Denver, Co
    Sean Rastsmith
    f3.5, and they offer both a fixed and collapsable version.
  16. manzoid

    manzoid Mu-43 Regular

    Jun 9, 2011
    I had the nikon E series 50mm 1.8, and both of the options I mentioned are smaller, lighter and have shorter adapters.

    Additionally, not sure if I just got a bad copy or don't have a taste for nikon, but i find the hexanon better in pretty much everyday except that it goes from 1.8 to 2.8 in one stop, whereas the nikon had a stop at f2.
  17. Jonathan F/2

    Jonathan F/2 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Aug 10, 2011
    Los Angeles, USA
    The version I have is an actual Nikkor and not a series E. This particular lens is glass coated. It's quite sharp at 1.8, picks up by f/2 and by 2.8 it's tack. I'd love to try a Hexanon to compare though!
  18. DeeJayK

    DeeJayK Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 8, 2011
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    If we expand (and pare down) that list to all systems which are readily adaptable to :43: (i.e. adapters are commercially available), it looks something like this:

    Mount______________Flange focal distance (register)
    C-mount_________________________17.52 mm
    Micro Four Thirds System____________19.25 mm
    Pentax Auto 110__________________27.00 mm
    Leica M mount (bayonet)____________27.95 mm
    M39 (Leica) screwmount____________28.80 mm
    Olympus PEN F____________________28.95 mm
    Contax G_________________________29.00 mm
    Hasselblad XPAN___________________34.27 mm
    Contax (Kiev) RF___________________34.85 mm
    Nikon S (rangefinder)_______________34.85 mm
    Alpa_____________________________37.80 mm
    Four Thirds_______________________38.67 mm
    Aaton 16mm______________________40.00 mm
    Leitz Visoflex/ Leica Viso_____________40.00 mm
    Konica AR________________________40.70 mm
    Miranda__________________________41.50 mm
    Canon FL/ FD _____________________42.00 mm
    Fujica X/ X-Fujinon__________________43.50 mm
    Minolta SR-mount___________________43.72 mm
    Canon EF/EOS_____________________44.00 mm
    Praktica (bayonet)__________________44.40 mm
    Minolta AF/ Sony Alpha_______________44.60 mm
    Rolleiflex SL35/ Rollei QBM____________44.60 mm
    Exakta/ Topcon_____________________44.70 mm
    Voigtlander DKL Retina/ Bessamatic_____44.70 mm
    Pentax K mount____________________45.46 mm
    M42______________________________45.46 mm
    Zenit/ M39 SLR_____________________45.46 mm
    Contax/Yaschica (C/Y)________________45.50 mm
    Contarex__________________________46.00 mm
    Olympus OM mount__________________46.00 mm
    Nikon F-mount (or G)_________________46.50 mm
    Leica R mount_______________________47.00 mm
    B4 (2/3" video)______________________48.00 mm
    Icarex 35S_________________________48.00 mm
    Tamron Adaptall/ Adaptall 2____________50.70 mm
    Arri bayonet (Arri B)/ Arriflex____________52.00 mm
    Arri PL (Positive Lock)_________________52.00 mm
    Arri standard (STD)___________________52.00 mm
    Kinor 16CX-2M_______________________52.00 mm
    T2/ T-mount_________________________55.00 mm
    Konvas 1M OCT-18___________________57.00 mm
    PV (Panavision)______________________57.15 mm
    OCT-19/ OST-19______________________61.00 mm
    BNCR (Blimped Newsreel Camera Reflex)___61.47 mm
    Mamiya 645 (*)_______________________63.30 mm
    Kiev 6/ Pentacon 6/ Kiev 60/ Kiev 66______74.10 mm
    Hasselblad__________________________74.90 mm
    Pentax 6x7/ 67_______________________84.95 mm
    Rolleiflex SL66 (*)____________________102.85 mm

    * adapters are not available directly to :43: for these mounts, but they can be done using two adapters (e.g. Mamiya 645-to-4/3 and 4/3-to-:43:) 
  19. dwig

    dwig Mu-43 Top Veteran

    Jun 26, 2010
    Key West FL
    Good list.

    Now, if we also filter for those fitting the OP's original request for short register distance and inexpensive, including the adapter price in with the possible lens prices, we end up with:

    C-mount_________________________17.52 mm
    Micro Four Thirds System___________19.25 mm
    Pentax Auto 110__________________27.00 mm
    M39 (Leica) screwmount___________28.80 mm
    Olympus PEN F___________________28.95 mm​
  20. Ulfric M Douglas

    Ulfric M Douglas Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 6, 2010
    Another vote for Jupiter-8 from me, I took a picture of mine ;

    E-P2    ---    45mm    f/1.8    1/60s    ISO 100

    It isn't 'sharp' at F2 ...
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