Best Add-ons for Panasonic 14/2.5?

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by WaltP, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. Which, of the many converters is the best for this lens?
    Is there a readily available wide converter that will not degrade the optics greatly? Can I get a good 10mm FOV? Or would I be better off with the 12 of a 12-32 kit lens? I'm losing a lot of pixels cropping the Laowa 7.5, and resizing makes it "a not very good 12mm", still decent as a 10mm.
    Or is there a "magic sauce" in Post that can make a 65% crop really shine when re-sized? Lens is sharp enough to handle a lot. But the 14mm would give me autofocus, which I am reluctantly learning I can use after nearly 70 years. Sigh.

    Thanks.
    Walt
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2018
  2. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Nov 18, 2013
    If you can find one, the GWC1. Makes the 14mm an 11mm -for me no sharpness loss, no light loss.
     
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  3. Pecos

    Pecos Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jan 20, 2013
    The Natural State
    I posted a question about the Panasonic 14 or going wider here:
    Showcase - Panasonic 14mm f/2.5
    and @pellicle@pellicle replied with some interesting info and informative links about the GWC1 adapter. Problem is, I think it's out of production, and it is hard to find. Does look like an interesting solution, however.
     
  4. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    It's s regular on eBay. Best ones are from a couple of Japanese sellers, usually new, usually $150

    None there now, so save a search and sit back till an email arrives :)
     
  5. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    The GWC-1 is the Panasonic designed adapter for this lens. I have a few blog posts on my blog about it

    in my view ...: GWC-1

    Annoyingly these search labels give results in most recent post first, so id probably work in from the other end
     
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  6. dougjgreen

    dougjgreen Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 5, 2013
    San Diego
    Doug Green
    I like quite the Sony VCL-ECU1 wide converter. It works quite well on the Panasonic 14mm. There are some clean used ones on ebay for $100-115, although I paid much less for mine a few years back. I'm of the belief, although not certain, that the current VCL-ECU2 is identical except it's finished in black satin chrome rather than silver.
     
  7. PakkyT

    PakkyT Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jun 20, 2015
    New England
    I see someone has one for sale right now in our Buy & Sell section for $130. I am not sure if you could get a quality wide angle converter for much less.
     
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  8. TNcasual

    TNcasual Mu-43 Hall of Famer Subscribing Member

    Dec 2, 2014
    Knoxville, TN
    I have a GWC1. It gives me my widest. It is nice to have when you want it. I don't have any issue with IQ. One thing though, it does introduce a fair amount of distortion. It usually isn't an issue unless you like shooting architecture and abstract like I do.

    Whenever I get the funds to buy a real ultra-wide lens, I will probably look to sell the GWC1.
     
  9. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Nov 18, 2013
    f6bcd249337597.58b1b9994cd7c.jpg

    IMHO killer for landscapes.
     
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  10. HarryS

    HarryS Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 23, 2012
    Midwest, USA
    I used the P14mm with the GWC1 all the time as my WA, until I bought the 9-18 zoom.

    The 12mm on a 12-32 is likely just as nice.
     
  11. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    Hey Harry

    I thought I'd take my GH1 and both my P14f2.5 and P12-32 out for a walk and took some shots to attempt to answer that question for people who haven't got both.

    in my view ...: cheap wide options on mico43

    Some samples of OOC JPGs

    12-32 ...
    P1120931-12mm-f3.5.jpg

    P14+GWC-1
    P1120934-14GWC-f2.5.jpg

    and if you have a multi aspect sensor (like the GH1/2/5 do) then you can use RAW and get interesting results:

    P14+GWC-1 in 16:9, RAW and hand corrected for pincushion distortion...
    P1120939-14GWC-f5.6169-01.jpg

    Of course the 9mm is wider ;-)
     
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  12. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Nov 18, 2013
    Given the extra fov and the build quality of the 14/gwc1 and of course the f2.5 I think I'm glad I have the 14 and not the 12-32. But you know what at the price of a used 12-32 it's also a great option. So my wide options are 9-18, 14+GWC1, and the 7.5mm. Love them all for different reasons, but it just shows how deep and good the m43 system is (I know the 14mm is no longer in production).
     
  13. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    Hi

    totally .. I bought mine for exactly that reason. I think I paid like AU$150 for it. Its a great accompaniment on my GF1 because the OIS may just lend a hand in low light wide angle cityscapes (and allow for a bit of people blur)

    100% backing you on that one ... I've been thinking of adding the 7.5mm for just star scapes because I think it may have less coma distortion in the edges (not that it matters really) but the price is slowing me down ... definitely the manual focus will be a bonus there!

    what? really? even the Mk2?

    OMG
     
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  14. D7k1

    D7k1 Mu-43 All-Pro Subscribing Member

    Nov 18, 2013
    Not listed on the US site, and neither B&H nor Adorama list it. Still a few on Ebay.
     
  15. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    :crying:

    :(
     
  16. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    as a PS to my above post on the comparison, I thought I'd overlay in red (also updated my blog) the difference between the OOC JPG captured with the 12mm end of the 12-32 and what I get with the 14f2.5 + GWC-1 when using RAW and 16:9 capture on my GH1

    P1120939-14GWC-f5.6169vs12mm.jpg

    as it happens the move from 4:3 to 16:9 still gives almost exactly the same vertical view that the 12mm gave as an OOC JPG at 4:3
     
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  17. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    The Australian Panasonic site still seems to list it

    Lumix G Lenses | Panasonic Australia

    Maybe it's a USA issue?
     
  18. Ranger Rick

    Ranger Rick Mu-43 Veteran

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    Apr 11, 2009
    Tempe, AZ
    Rick
    Panasonic USA site lists WC-1, but they don't sell direct. No USA vendors have it, and none on eBay for less than about $450
     
  19. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    Are we still talking about the Panasonic 14mm f2.5 lens (H-H014AE) being discontinued?
     
  20. Ranger Rick

    Ranger Rick Mu-43 Veteran

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    Apr 11, 2009
    Tempe, AZ
    Rick
    Thread seems like it's been all over the lot, but isn't there discussion of the GWC-1 adapter to get to 11mm on the 14mm 2.5 lens? My post referenced the GWC-1 adapter mentioned by at least D7k1 above. It would appear the 14mm lens has been discontinued, as several vendors say that, and B&H site seems to have never heard of it.
     
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