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Anyone shooting ice hockey? 35-100 2.8?

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by mazg, Sep 2, 2013.

  1. mazg

    mazg Mu-43 Regular

    96
    Aug 20, 2013
    I am moving from a Nikon system to a system built around the G5. Typically I shoot my sons ice hockey with my 80-200 2.8 lens. While it doesn't have the best AF around, I can handhold fairly well due to the 2.8 and fire a burst of shots usually getting most in focus and without movement blur.

    I had planned to keep the 80-200 2.8 on my D7000 specially for this purpose, but I have an opportunity to sell it (for $600).

    My question is would the 35-100 2.8 be a good match for this situation? Is anyone using this lens for this purpose and able to comment? I don't want to invest $1300 to find out that it won't do the job.
     
  2. Replytoken

    Replytoken Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 7, 2012
    Puget Sound
    Ken
    I do not think the lens is going to be as much of a problem as is your camera body. I used to shoot college football with a D300 and 70-200 VRII, and I know that if you want to use a camera's AF mechanism to track moving objects, then you are not going to be happy with your proposed set-up. I tried to photograph a lion dance ceremony with my G3 and 25mm last year, and the camera basically all but locked up on me. It had no ability to track the fast moving lion dancers. I would imagine that shooting hockey is a lot like shooting football, so unless you want to manually pre-focus on a spot and wait for action, you might not be too happy with your keeper rate. Can you try shooting with the lenses that you have to see if you are satisfied before buying the 35-100?

    --Ken
     
  3. MAubrey

    MAubrey Photographer

    Jul 9, 2012
    Bellingham, WA
    Mike Aubrey
    This is certainly true, but there's a major difference in tracking ability between the 70-200mm VRII and the old 80-200mm, which relies on the in-camera motor for focusing. Micro four thirds may not be able to track, but the single shot AF will be incredibly fast compared to that lens.

    This is to say, if you can shoot hockey with the 80-200mm, then the 35-100mm shouldn't be a problem. Worst case scenario would be the necessity of adapting your technique, but other than that...

    Ken, have you tried just not using tracking? The best way to do action with μ43 is to keep to the regular AF mode and just keep mashing the shutter button. The AF is fast enough that it works surprisingly well.
     
  4. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    If I was shooting hockey I'd try to find a 150f2. Or wait for the Panny 150 2.8.
     
  5. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Few things here...

    - I'm an ice hockey player
    - I shoot my son's basketball with the 75 at ISO 1600

    - What ISO were you shooting at when you were using your Nikon gear?
    To me, available light would be the bigger issue.
    - I concur with some of the others in that you'll probably be limited with the G5 (E-M5, GH2, GH3 are recommended) and perhaps the 150 ƒ2.8 should also be a consideration for a 2nd lens.
     
  6. Replytoken

    Replytoken Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 7, 2012
    Puget Sound
    Ken
    Mike,

    I have never shot with the 80-200, so I cannot compare it with the 70-200VRII, but while it would be slower because of the motor, I am not certain how much slower it would be.

    You are correct that SAF is generally superior for both accuracy and speed with a good m4/3rd's body, and that is generally a recommended mode for shooting, unless you like to manually focus. I have been slowly adapting my focusing style from my Nikon to my Oly and Pany bodies, and I am sure it will continue to get better with a lot more shooting. I have not had a chance to try the G3 with a fast moving subject, but will next week if the weather holds out. The biggest challenge with lion and dragon dances is that they are moving quite fast, and they are usually in close quarters.

    --Ken
     
  7. mazg

    mazg Mu-43 Regular

    96
    Aug 20, 2013
    More details....
    - I shoot between ISO 400 and 2000 depending on how brightly lit the arena is (they vary)
    - My 80-200 is the push pull not the current faster focusing model
    - Typically I use back button focus with AF-C (I believe I can't do that with the G5 but not sure about the other cameras)
    - my son is only 8 years old (so he doesn't skate *that* fast yet, by the time he does I'll have a new camera!)
    - I already have the 45-150 Lumix lens but haven't had an opportunity to try it out for this (as hockey season hasn't started yet)

    What would the E-M5/GH2 buy me that I don't have in the G5 w/35-100 2.8? (specifically for this scenario).

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  8. bassman

    bassman Mu-43 Top Veteran

    678
    Apr 22, 2013
    New Jersey
    Scott
    The E-M5 does have a back-focus button, for one thing. On the other hand, the 35-100 will only get you to 200mm equiv, while the 80-200 is 300mm on DX, so you won't have the same reach.

    I can't compare it to the other m43 bodies, but I have shot college hockey with the D7000 and 80-200/2.8 push pull, and it's a bear. I haven't tried the E-M5 for this yet, but I wouldn't expect it to do quite as well. But as others have said, if you can single shot focus rather than need to use continuous it is pretty snappy.
     
  9. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    Good point - I forgot about this :redface:
     
  10. mazg

    mazg Mu-43 Regular

    96
    Aug 20, 2013
    Can the BBF be used with AF-C (i.e. you keep your finger on the button continuously focusing and when ready press the shutter, or lifting finger off BBF to lock focus).

    Agreed, I forgot about this too. This does put a twist on it. The FL is perfect and losing 1/3 of the length is a definite loss. I had planned to keep the lens to throw on the D7000 just for this reason so maybe I should stick to that plan for now. It's not such a big deal to haul the lens to the games, I was more hoping to be able to sell the rest of the gear.

    I guess I'll wait and see what Olympus comes out with for a 2.8 telephoto zoom. I would expect them to release something to go with their rumoured 12-40 (or whatever it turns out to be). Maybe it'll be longer than 100.

    I think SSF could work while my son is young. I only need a few good shots each game - it's not like I'm trying to sell them or anything.
     
  11. carpandean

    carpandean Mu-43 Top Veteran

    827
    Oct 29, 2010
    Western NY
    I've shown more here, but one more time for fun (since the topic fits so well):

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    Maz and I talked on PM, but basically I told him much of what has been said here. Tracking focus doesn't work well enough, especially if the action is moving toward or away from you. Even single focus gave me troubles in those situations. Most of my keepers were either pre-focused on the goaltender (I watched for the forward coming in with my left eye) or when the action was moving across my view. The extra DOF (vs. f/2.8 on FF) does give a little more room for error, though.

    Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what the E-M1 can do with PDAF.
     

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  12. bassman

    bassman Mu-43 Top Veteran

    678
    Apr 22, 2013
    New Jersey
    Scott
    FWIW, earlier this year I shot my granddaughters' dance recital. They're 2 & 4, so there was very limited movement. Very dark venue, with colored stage lighting. I carried the 80-200/2.8 for long shots and had a Nikon V1 with the 10-30/3.5-5.6 for mid-range stuff. The combo worked well and I avoided the lens shuffle. Today I would use the E-M5 with the 12-35, so the pair would give me 2.8 all the way.
     
  13. DynaSport

    DynaSport Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 5, 2013
    Dan
    I'm sorry for reposting this photo, but it was taken with the G5 using the cheap O40-150 at 150 and heavily cropped because I was FAR away. I have taken this combo to two HS football games in the last two weeks and I have found that using C-AF and putting the camera on burst mode works pretty good. My problem is that I'm too far away and the lighting at HS stadiums is pretty bad so I have a hard time getting the SS I need to freeze action. And the 40-150 is not sharpest at 150 and wide open, which is how I have been shooting it exclusively.

    Bottom line to me is that if you can get close enough for 100 to be enough reach, I think you can get some good shots. Maybe not every shot, but some good ones anyway. I'd give it a shot. you should be able to get much closer than I can shooting from the stands in a football stadium.

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  14. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas
    -You shooting in RAW?
    -What ISO?

    Try shooting in Shutter Priority mode and set to 800 and ISO 1600 then set exposure compensation to +3. If you're shooting in RAW, you bump up exposure with post processing. :smile:
     
  15. DynaSport

    DynaSport Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 5, 2013
    Dan
    The last two were shot at ISO 6400. I usually start at ISO 1600 and bump up as the night gets darker.
     
  16. RT_Panther

    RT_Panther Mu-43 Legend

    May 4, 2011
    Texas

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  17. Qiou87

    Qiou87 Mu-43 Regular

    150
    Jul 15, 2013
    Paris, France
    There's an FT5 (as in "pretty certain") rumor that Olympus will announce a 40-150mm f/2.8 lens for their pro linup (to complement the 12-40mm f/2.8). Should be there in 2014, and I think it could be a pretty exciting lens for what you're doing, although the lack of stabilisation might be problematic unless you use a monopod.

    Until then I'd stick to what you already have and trust, the Nikon 80-200mm f/2.8. You can also try to bring your G5 with 40-150mm as a backup and just try the focus (you might have to set a high ISO but the goal here would be to try the AF and see how many "in focus" shots you can get with the G5 before investing 1000$+ in a f/2.8 telezoom).
     
  18. Danny_SWE

    Danny_SWE Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 30, 2013
    Sweden (Gothenburg)
    Sweden vs Finland 01 - Sochi 21 Feb 2014


    Face-Off

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    Sweden vs Finland 01 - Sochi 21 Feb 2014 - Face-off by Zarako, on Flickr


    Erik Karlsson's goal 1-1

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    Sweden vs Finland 02 - Sochi 21 Feb 2014 - Erik Karlsson's goal 1-1 by Zarako, on Flickr

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    Sweden vs Finland 03 - Sochi 21 Feb 2014 - Erik Karlsson's goal 1-1 by Zarako, on Flickr


    Loui Eriksson's scores 2-1

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    Sweden vs Finland 04 - Sochi 21 Feb 2014 - Loui Eriksson's scores 2-1 by Zarako, on Flickr

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    Sweden vs Finland 05 - Sochi 21 Feb 2014 - Loui Eriksson's scores 2-1 by Zarako, on Flickr


    Great work Sweden!!! Good luck against USA or Canada on sunday!!!
     
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  19. Harmonica

    Harmonica Mu-43 Regular

    114
    Mar 15, 2012
    Finland
    Well...it's always nicer to win the last game (and bronze medal 5-0) than lose it (the final 0-3)...and expecially now as all knows that SWE used doping...:D)



     
  20. Danny_SWE

    Danny_SWE Mu-43 All-Pro

    Apr 30, 2013
    Sweden (Gothenburg)
    Silver shines better than bronze :) yes that was terrible. Many that experiments with different things, I remember a certain ski team ;-) but yeah. It's bad for whole sport community

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