A large lens line-up?

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by OzRay, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    I was just reading an article on Luminous Landscape (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/cameras/two_weeks_with_the_olympus_e_m1.shtml) on the E-M1 and this sentence struck me as somewhat odd:

    So I went to both manufacturers websites and did a lens count:

    Fujifilm: 9 native lenses (AF etc)

    Olympus/Panasonic: 45 native lenses (and not counting the 23 x 4/3 lenses or TCs)

    Fujifilm has a large lens line-up compared to m4/3? :confused:
     
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  2. Talanis

    Talanis Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Sherbrooke, Canada
    Eric Cote
    He clearly did not do his research or does not know what he's talking about when he mentions that it relies on old 4/3 lenses and a bunch of lenses from other manufacturers. In fact, having a bunch of lenses from different manufacturers shows how many companies are committed to micro 4/3 and how many good choices you have. I guess he missed the boat in one of the advantage micro 4/3 offers.
     
  3. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    Yes, his comments are so off the mark that I'm surprised his statements haven't been challenged. But then again, if it's not about medium or large format, 'minor' errors of fact don't seem to matter
     
  4. A paragraph from near the beginning of the article makes more sense than the one previously quoted from the end, even though it is based on the erroneous assumption that a non-Olympus branded Micro 4/3 lens isn't a "dedicated" lens. You could also argue that while Fujifilm currently has a good prime lens line-up they have yet to come out with their own fast zooms, super-telephoto and superzoom.

     
  5. SeanKelleher

    SeanKelleher Mu-43 Regular

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    Sep 24, 2014
    Melbourne
    Sean Kelleher
    Did he mean that his lens collection was largely made up of adapted 4/3 and other brands, rather than talking about the full set one can buy?

    Otherwise it's just too implausibly wrong, surely.
     
  6. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    He clearly implies that Fujifilm has a larger selection of lenses to choose from, compared to m4/3. He uses words such as 'dedicated' when referring to Fujifilm, buy 'hodge-podge' when referring to m4/3, implying a deficiency in m4/3 lenses.

    I used the sentence from the end of the article, because it expressed succinctly what I believe that he meant.
     
  7. pellicle

    pellicle Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 10, 2010
    Southport, OzTrailEYa
    pellicle
    I've always found LL to be more marketing oriented than factually oriented. For instance way back when they were showing how the Canon EOS D60 was better than 6x7 film ... then somehow years later they were saying how the EOS1Ds was just about equal to scanned 4x5 ... although no mention that the poor old D60 was quite under-spec of the 1Ds

    "torture the data and it will confess"

    Its a bit like the way dpreview has now cut off comparison between older cameras and newer cameras with their new "tool"... you could once compare the old against the new (and notice that nothing much was improving significantly except pixel counts)...
     
  8. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    I agree, I've always had a sort of love/hate relationship with that site, even though I go there just to see if there's something of interest as it is a 'different' site. It's certainly, of late, become a more a marketing site as you say, just trying to sell their photo trips or whatever. Hell, I'd conduct photo trips to the High Country for no profit, just be prepared to camp out and rough it for a few days.
     
  9. zathras

    zathras Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 13, 2014
    Waikato, New Zealand
    Chris Nielsen
    I think I figured it out. He is talking about pro lenses. Apparently he is too good to use regular mft lenses. If it's not constant 2.8 he turns his nose up at it. Which also explains why his camera bag is comically large.
     
  10. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    I don't think that's it, because he shows plenty of shots taken with the Panasonic Lumix G Vario 100-300mm F/4.0-5.6 OIS Lens.
     
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  11. zathras

    zathras Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 13, 2014
    Waikato, New Zealand
    Chris Nielsen
    Bugger.
     
  12. nickthetasmaniac

    nickthetasmaniac Mu-43 All-Pro

    Jan 11, 2011
    He doesn't imply that actually, read closer and you'll notice he doesn't say anything about m4/3.

    He's directly comparing the Fuji lens line-up with that of Olympus, not m4/3..

    This doesn't the article any smarter, especially when you get to this comment later on...

    So clearly the 'hodge-podge' is working for him...
     
  13. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    I completely fail to understand his logic or what he is trying to convey. What exactly are these two statements supposed to mean:

    Is he talking about the Olympus current lens line-up or the past one? In either case, Olympus has 2x or 3x the number of lenses available depending whether you're talking about m4/3 or 4/3. Also, it's completely stupid to put down Olympus and praise Fuji, when every Panasonic m4/3 lens works natively on an Olympus camera.

    No matter how much benefit of the doubt I give him, it simply comes across as stupid and ill-informed, as well as providing ill-informed opinion on a reasonably widely read photography website.
     
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  14. zathras

    zathras Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 13, 2014
    Waikato, New Zealand
    Chris Nielsen
    Why don't we ask him? I volunteer to ask
     
  15. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    Please do, it would be interesting to see what he says.
     
  16. zathras

    zathras Mu-43 Regular

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    Jul 13, 2014
    Waikato, New Zealand
    Chris Nielsen
    His reply:

    Hello,

    In the article I said that the dedicated micro 4/3 lenses were limited. I did mention that you could use adapters etc. The Fuji line of lenses dedicated to X series has grown significantly. In the Olympus line I consider the like of the Pro lens line the ones that really matter. Fast, sharp, well built and excellent image quality. My old 4/3 lenses while working on the MFT are just not as fast as I would like to see.

    Best Regards,

    Kevin Raber
    kwr@luminous-landscape.com
     
  17. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    So with 45 dedicated m4/3 lenses available (and only nine Fuji), he thinks the m4/3 numbers are limited? Does this guy visit us from another planet?
     
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  18. zathras

    zathras Mu-43 Regular

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    Waikato, New Zealand
    Chris Nielsen
    Seems like it mate
     
  19. nstelemark

    nstelemark Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 28, 2013
    Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada
    Larry
    The breadth of the lens lineup has to be the main attraction to m43 in this market segment. It doesn't have the biggest sensor but it certainly has the broadest range of bodies and lenses that are compatible. Oly does not make any really interesting pancakes, but Panasonic sure does, etc etc.

    In a very narrow sense I do see what he means but only if you compare the SHG lens lineup to the Pro Lineup you can certainly find it lacking. With 6 SHG lenses and only one Pro lens shipping I can see the discrepancy but this assumes that all the Fuji glass is at the SHG level. But this totally ignores the Panny 12-35, 35-100, 25 1.4, 7-14, 42.5 1.2, etc etc. I suspect like most posts this is written to draw controversy...
     
  20. OzRay

    OzRay Mu-43 Legend

    Jan 29, 2010
    South Gippsland, Australia
    Ray, not Oz
    The thing is, both Olympus and Panasonic have produced lenses to suit a wide variety of users, from consumer to pro, and most of those lenses all work quite well. The range is far more extensive than it ever was for 4/3s and has been built up quite rapidly. And they have produced lots of prime lenses, which people have been clamouring to own.

    Without explaining himself properly Raber has left himself open to criticism and certainly lost credibility. What he has stated is plainly wrong and misleading, something that any professional photography website should strenuously avoid.
     
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