95% NTSC TN vs 60% NTSC IPS for my use?

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by stevenmh, Jul 5, 2013.

  1. stevenmh

    stevenmh Mu-43 Rookie

    Jul 30, 2012
    I'm fairly new to photography, got a G3 in December 2011. Had nothing but compacts prior. Bought Lightroom 4 and started shooting RAW a year ago. Upgraded to a G5 last fall and just upgraded to Lightroom 5. I shoot family and vacation photos, and in particular a lot of photos of our toddler. I export to JPEG on a shared drive which I stream to a couple of HDTVs for viewing. I rarely print, and if I do, it's to frame a photo that came out particularly well at 4x6 or 5x7 or to stick it on the fridge. In short, it's all personal / hobby, nothing professional / paid / critical, although I like to do the best job I can with my limited skill set.

    Historically I've been using my desktop PC w/ 23" 72% NTSC matte IPS monitor calibrated with Spyder4Pro and it's been fine. However, life changes when the baby starts walking, and I no longer have the time to camp out in the basement developing photos. After getting further and further behind, I started shopping laptops that I could use as a desktop replacement as I roam around the house watching my son, and also while traveling. Based on this, the laptop screen needs to be suitable for editing, and not rely on an external monitor.

    I was looking at the Sagers with 95% NTSC matte panels. Then they released a Haswell-based model with IPS screen. I emailed Sager about color gamut, and it's only 60% NTSC. I thought that may be subpar since it doesn't even cover sRGB, so I ended up with a model with the 95% TN screen, which I've calibrated with Sypder4Pro which is stating 91% NTSC.

    The laptop is nice, and has the nicest display of any laptop I've ever owned. However, vertical angles are still somewhat limited. I'm wondering how important 95% color gamut is when I don't know at exactly what angle I'm actually seeing the colors at their most accurate rendering. I believe that the slight shift I see within a reasonable range of viewing angle will probably not create any severe problems when the finished JPEGs are viewed on the TVs, but I'm wondering if the 60% NTSC IPS screen would have been a better choice.

    I'm not making fine adjustments to color, I don't even know how to any real degree. I apply the Huelight Standard G5 profile on import. I might tinker with bringing out some blue in the sky on a landscape shot, or add a touch of vibrance, but that has to do more with the amount of color, not whether the color is accurate. I'm not moving tone curves around and stuff like that. I do adjust white balance, but I don't know if a reduced gamut would impact my ability to do that. It's more a matter of warmer vs cooler than whether this shade of blue meets aRGB specifications.

    I've got a couple weeks of no-questions-asked return window left. On one hand, I've spent a lot of time getting all my programs installed and set up just the way I want, Lightroom is running fast, and an exchange and re-setup would be a fairly significant hassle. On the other hand, I'd like to make the purchase last on the order of 5 years, and I could justify an extra day or so if there's a compelling reason to do so.

    So, does anyone have an opinion to offer? For my particular use, does a cheap IPS panel that doesn't cover sRGB make more sense than a high end TN panel that almost covers aRGB? My guess is that I could make either one work for what I'm doing, and there's probably not enough reason to switch at this point, but I'd like to hear from those who are more knowledgeable about it. Has anyone actually done any editing on a low gamut IPS monitor and what was your experience?


  2. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler Subscribing Member

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to point out that one of the problems with IPS screens is that viewing angle dramatically changes the viewed color.

    On my 23" Samsung IPS monitor, I can see a difference from the middle to the top or bottom of the screen, at normal viewing distance (3' or so).
    If I move my head, the colors shift.

    I have a 24" TN monitor at work with no such issue.

  3. mattia

    mattia Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    May 3, 2012
    The Netherlands
    Um, what? My experience is the complete opposite - IPS monitors have much better viewing angles and much better color accuracy at all viewing angles than TN monitors. Not all IPS monitors are created equal, but still.

    IPS >>> TN. Unless you're gaming or need super high response time for some other reason. It's the one thing I don't like particularly about my Mac Air.
  4. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler Subscribing Member

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Sorry, I got it reversed. My Samsung is TN.

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  5. mcasan

    mcasan Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 26, 2014
    What output will you do that requires more than sRBG? For showing photos on the web, email, smartphone, tablet, laptop, or TV.....sRGB gamut is all you need. Unless you are going to print fine art photos and have a printer or print service that can handle Adobe gamut, stick with sRGB.

    BTW, I used Spyder 4 Elite to check the calibration of my 2012 Retina Macbook and my Apple Thunderbolt display Both screens were so close that I could not see a difference in the before and after calibration. I don't get bad surprises when I print with my Canon Pixma Pro 1 printer.
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