The one I ordered (for $324) was listed as "like new", supposedly taken out of the box and immediately returned to the box. We'll see when it arrives, but at $324 I'd be happy with slightly used.There's used and there's used. I would consider things sold at Amazon Warehouse that's rated "very good" or "like new" to be effectively new. In fact, they can be new. Much like Lenovo, if Amazon sends something out and it get's returned they will sell it as used even if it's never been opened. The things I've gotten have generally had only a handful of shutter activations. Back when there were mom and pop camera stores, the "new" cameras I got from them would have more use.