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12-40 plus???

Discussion in 'Native Lenses' started by woollyback, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. woollyback

    woollyback Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2015
    Rob
    Folks,

    About to buy the M1 plus 12-40 zoom as an introduction to 4/3rds.

    Question other than the 40-150 pro lens what is a decent (next best) alternative for a decent telephoto??

    Thanks for any info

    Rob
     
  2. Rudy

    Rudy Mu-43 Veteran

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    Jan 24, 2013
    Oakland, CA
    The 75, and it's not just the next best.
    Rudy
     
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  3. MoonMind

    MoonMind Mu-43 Top Veteran

    626
    Oct 25, 2014
    Switzerland
    Matt
    I fully agree to what Rudy has said; if money's of the issue, the Sigma 60mm f/2.8 is a more than decent choice too - but good as it may be, it's a far cry from the 75mm f/1.8. The 60mm was my only longer lens on mFT for quite a while - and it's still my brightest option.

    I plan to swap the 12mm for the 75mm, though.

    M.
     
  4. woollyback

    woollyback Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2015
    Rob
    ooh the 75mm f1.8?. Have seen some images and man they are gorgeous - just not sure it would be too specialised vs a zoom?
     
  5. Klorenzo

    Klorenzo Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 10, 2014
    Lorenzo
    Telephoto for what? Wildlife, sport, other? There are the old Four Third ones, the small 40-150 or the 75-300.
     
  6. woollyback

    woollyback Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2015
    Rob
    One of the things I'm finding with Olympus (as a canon man for last eon) is what fits what and what needs an adaptor and Panasonic fit Olympus and so do Leica - all very confusing for a simple country boy :)

    I was thinking aviation and sports mainly - something similar to canon 100-400 or 300 f4?

    Rob
     
  7. Klorenzo

    Klorenzo Mu-43 All-Pro

    Mar 10, 2014
    Lorenzo
    You have Micro Four Thirds lenses, from Oly, Pana, Pana-Leica, Sigma, etc. that works on all Micro Four Thirds camera.
    Then you have old Four Thirds lenses, mostly from Olympus, that require an adapter like the Oly MMF-3.

    Something that can give you the reach of those lenses (on APS-C) are these:

    micro four third:
    Oly 75-300 (good up to 200mm, quite dark, light)
    Oly 40-150 (good, very small, great price)

    four third:
    Oly 50-200 SWD 2.8-3.5 (used) + MMF-3

    The reason I include the Four Third lens is because it is much faster the the others in terms of light and the AF on E-M1 should be better for action shots. And image quality is also better. Cons: it's quite oversized compared to Micro 4/3 lenses: 1kg, 67mm filter.

    There is also the Oly 150/2 but the price+adapter is almost the same of the Oly 40-150 pro.

    You could also adapt Canon lenses, if you still have any, but the adapters are quite expensive (Metabone, Kipon, etc.).
     
  8. woollyback

    woollyback Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2015
    Rob
    Klorenzo,

    Brilliant thank you explains a lot.

    I still have a canon 100-400 but was looking for a smaller option
     
  9. barry13

    barry13 Super Moderator; Photon Wrangler

    Mar 7, 2014
    Southern California
    Barry
    Second the 50-200mm SWD.
    And EC-14 teleconverter.

    Barry
     
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  10. DoofClenas

    DoofClenas Who needs a Mirror!

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    Nov 9, 2012
    Traverse City, MI
    Clint
    The 12-40 and 75 are my two lenses that I carry everywhere with me. They fit snugly with the em1 (and rrs boem1) in a tamrac velocity 6 sling bag.
     
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  11. Jfrader

    Jfrader Guest

    The Oly 40-150mm is very small and light and delivers adequate IQ for most purposes. A plus is that it is inexpensive. If you decide it is not what you need, it hasn't broken the bank.

    IMHO, the Oly 75mm, while an excellent lens, is just not long enough to be a very useful "telephoto."
     
  12. Generationfourth

    Generationfourth Mu-43 Regular

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    Sep 11, 2015
    Another interesting lens is the Panasonic 35-100 f4-5.6
     
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  13. mcasan

    mcasan Mu-43 All-Pro

    Feb 26, 2014
    Atlanta
    40-150mm f2.8 Pro + 1.4 TC = 56-210mm f4. That is the 35mm FF equivalent field of view of 112-420mm. The TC can also be used with the 300mm f4 Pro when it is released later this year. The 40-150mm can be used for focus stacking and bracketing as well as the 12-40mm and the 60mm macro.
     
  14. agentlossing

    agentlossing Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Jun 26, 2013
    Andrew Lossing
    Sigma 60mm f2.8 is great!
     
  15. gryphon1911

    gryphon1911 Mu-43 Hall of Famer

    Mar 13, 2014
    Central Ohio, USA
    Andrew
    Decent as in good enough or close to the same IQ as the 40-150/2.8??

    Really big difference. If we are talking "good enough", then the Oly 40-150/4-5.6 ($100 ish) is one of the best bang for the buck lenses around. If you want more reach, then the Oly 75-300/4.8-6.7 (can be found under $500 used) is good through most of the range until it gets past 270-280mm. It is light hungry, so using it in good light only is a pretty safe bet. Keep the shutter speed up as well. I like to get as close to 1/1000 or faster as I possibly can.

    If you want fast aperture and great IQ like the 40-150 - look into the Panasonic 35-100/2.8 Not quite as long....but not as large either.
     
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  16. PakkyT

    PakkyT Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Jun 20, 2015
    New England
    I will second the 50-200mm lens which I use very often on my E-M1 (the non-SWD version). Wonderful lens.

    For travel, I found the non-pro version of the 40-150 is not only small and super light, but perfectly fine for normal travel snapshots during the day (the 50-200mm is just too big and heavy to drag along on the family vacation). As gryphon1911 already pointed out, cheap and a great value as it performs very nicely in normal conditions.

    And because it is just plain fun to use, the old legacy film OM 135/2.8 lens can be had for $100 US or less and can be added to the E-M1 using a $6 adapter. It takes pretty nice shots if you don't mind manual focus.
     
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  17. kwalsh

    kwalsh Mu-43 Top Veteran

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    Mar 3, 2012
    Baltimore, MD
    Don't forget the Panasonic 35-100/2.8 which while it doesn't go out as far as the 40-150/2.8 is also vastly smaller. It is a very high IQ lens. In fact for infinity focus landscapes shot at F/5.6 it is decidedly sharper in the corners than the 40-150/2.8 - but of course that isn't a typical use for a F/2.8 lens. Thing is, there aren't many other options in m43 that are extremely sharp corner to corner stopped down :(

    Once you go past 100 you are now looking either at fast and large, or small and slow. Unfortunately the small and slow options so far have mostly fallen into the "good enough" category of IQ even stopped down and only the fast and large options are really exceptionally good.

    Telephoto is really the land of trade offs, you'll need to decide how long, how fast and how small your requirements are and trade those off each other.
     
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  18. owczi

    owczi nareteV 34-uM

    Definitely agree. The 40-150 is great, but it's the size of a vacuum flask - and the 35-100 is the size of a beer can. We're talking this:

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    (image yoinked from MirrorLessons)

    The 35-100 is not a long reach telephoto (birds and the like), which the 40-150 can be, especially with the teleconverter - but it's small, fast to focus, small, gives great image quality, and did I mention that it's small? 70-200 lenses are the staple of event photography - and the 35-100 is exactly that for mu-43, at a fraction of the size of a typical 70-200.

    If you're looking for long reach and want 2.8, and can take its size, go for the 40-150. If you can sacrifice some reach for super portability, get the 35-100.
     
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  19. woollyback

    woollyback Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2015
    Rob
    Thanks all much appreciate the time taken to reply. I am leaning towards the 40-150 but it's another £1100 in the uk on top of the £1200 for the EM1 and 12-40

    .........dear Santa !!!
     
  20. woollyback

    woollyback Mu-43 Veteran

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    Oct 20, 2015
    Rob
    Is it possible to fit my canon 100-400 to the EM1 and maintain autofocus?

    Would it also give me an equivalent field of view of 200-800mm 35mm equivalent.

    If so maybe that's my best option - same weight but more "reach"

    Thanks for any info

    Rob