Would you make this trade?

Discussion in 'This or That?' started by dixeyk, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. dixeyk

    dixeyk Mu-43 Hall of Famer

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    I have been trying to trade my E-P3 on SC (and quite frankly I forgot the ad was still active) and I recently got some interest. I had been asking for an X10 in trade for my E-P3+VF2. One of the folks that contacted me asked what I would sell the combo for and I realized I could let it go cheap and still have enough to buy an X10. Does that seem like a crazy trade? I have a G2, P14, P20 and O45 so it's not like I'd be giving up on m43 but I find that I often want better low light IQ and from what I have seen the x10 is quite a bit nicer in low light than the E-P3.
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  2. Ned

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    Yeah, it sounds like a crazy trade to me... I would trade the G2 instead for the X10.

    I mean, functionally I think the E-P3 + VF2 is just so much better in every way. But even if you were to ignore personal preferences and intrinsic value, just looking at the cold hard numbers... you're trading a $1,080 kit (minus value of kit lens) for a $600 camera! o_O
     
  3. songs2001

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    X10 or X100. X100 are about 850 now. So that would be a fair trade. I don't think X10s are any better at low light than the Olympuses.

    Having handled both the X100 and the EP3. The EP3 is far better in terms of instant AF and feedback. The X100 may do better high iso, but in low light, it think it would be harder to focus.
     
  4. Grinch

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    Will you be satisfied with one focal length? Are you that dissatisfied with the E-P3, or is it just your usual habit of rotating your camera stock every month or two? No insult, just that I've noticed that every couple of months you swap bodies or lenses.
     
  5. dixeyk

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    Not insulted...it's not quite that bad. Recently I have been going through bodies but I do on occasion settle down for...months at a time. :eek:
     
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    My son has an x10 and it's a very nice camera, but I wouldn't swap my E P3 for it. I wouldn's swap my E PM1 for it.
     
  7. dixeyk

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    No offense Ned (and I do value your opinion) but I got the E-P3 in a trade for an E-PM1+14 so it's not worth anywhere near $1,080 to me. Also value is very much dictated by the market and right now used E-P3's are plentiful and selling (or not selling) for just above $500 and the VF2 can be found as low as $175. I suppose I would get better value selling the gear but I doubt its worth more than $650 if I sold it and maybe a bit more on eBay. Before I got the E-P3 I read a lot about how great it is and while it is, I don't find it significantly better than any other m43 body that I have owned (except maybe the E-PL1). I know that the E-P3 has terrific, AWB, metering, IBIS and a nice capacitive touch screen but I am apparently immune to its charms because I am not finding it an appealing camera to use. As far as i'm concerned the G2 is a far better camera (for me) than the E-P3. The IQ is the same, the ergonomics and handling are light years better than the E-P3 and the combination EVF+articulating screen is much more useful for my needs than the flip up VF2 (of course that's just my preference).

    That said, I am not sold that the X10 is a good swap. FWIW the samples of low light and high ISO images from the X10 look a lot nicer to me than those of the E-P3. But...what is stopping me from making the trade is the speed of the E-P3. To me that is the single greatest feature it has. It is fast to AF (with the right lens) and has a fast shutter. That is the one thing that I have found since getting it that I'm really enjoying.
     
  8. Grinch

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    As long as I haven't stepped on your toes, I just felt I should state the perpetual change in your bag. Not that it inhibits your shooting at all, but I did get a chuckle out of three 14's in a month. Your character is one of the reasons I'm on this forum, just promise you won't leave our ranks we've lost too many good contributors.
     
  9. dixeyk

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    I have a G2 with a P14, P20 and O45 so I won't be missing anything lens wise. I have 3 m43 bodies...a G2, E-P1 and E-P3 so all I would be doing is ridding myself of an extra body. As far as being dissatisfied with the E-P3...I think it's more accurate to say that I am not finding it significantly different or better than the other bodies I have.
     
  10. dixeyk

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    LOL...yeah running through the three 14s was pretty weird even for me. I really had not meant to trade all of them away but got caught up in the horse trading.
     
  11. Grinch

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    I'm guilty as well, as I almost traded my ep-3 in today towards an EM-5, but the thing locked up with a 20 in the shop and I took it as a sign. I was intrigued by its difference in form, all the other advancements are nothing that's going to affect my needs or product.
     
  12. dixeyk

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    It's interesting but I am not all that wild about the OMD. I think it's a cool camera but I don't find myself all that eager to buy one. I'm not exactly sure why either. I usually prefer that mini-DSLR style.
     
  13. atomic

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    Instead of the X10, why not keep your m4/3 and get the Panasonic 25mm 1.4 for low light (or the Voigtlander 25mm 0.95 if you're really feeling flush)?
     
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    The X10 seems like a decent bit of gear. I could see it being useful as an 'always in the car glovebox' type camera.....compact, bright zoom with fair range and decent high iso/low light ...and to top it off, nice Fuji jpegs. To me it sounds like the perfect second camera. I'm considering one and weighing it up against the Canon G1X to take fishing, hiking, to work and general light travel.

    As an idea I think it's a great one, but I do think you may be able to perhaps get better value for your trade.
     
  15. dixeyk

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    I think there is misperception on this thread that I am planning to get rid of my m43 gear. I have an E-P1, E-P3 and G2 as well as P14, P20 and O45 native lenses. I like my m43 gear. The issue is that I am not all that impressed with the E-P3 and since I have two other bodies it seems natural to move it (although I coud sell it as well).
     
  16. Hyubie

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    Loved the X10, but I only really need one camera. And the :43: primes tipped the scale for me.

    Again, the X10 is very good, but I don't think it's anywhere near the value of the E-P3. Just my opinion of course. If you're willing to go for a trade anyway, there's a lot of refurbished X10s on the Amazon Marketplace. If your EP3 sells, check it out, they're fairly discounted.

    Edit: I meant Amazon Warehouse deals. Although there's also a lot of items sold in the Amazon marketplaces, still covered by Amazon guarantee.
     
  17. Bhupinder2002

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    Hi Kevin
    I think u haven't specified if its X10 or X100, if u r unhappy with EP3 then X100 will still make sense but I don't think X10 will outshine EP3 by any standard. Another option would b to get Panny GX1 with Panny 25 mm 1.4
    One more suggestion .. Please have a look at Canon G1X as well . It will b better than X10.
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  18. dixeyk

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    You know I had thought of the X100 but I am pretty sure the slow AF would drive me nuts. I have a few friends with them and it is a source of constant irritation with them. Also, I do find that the one thing I like about the E-P3 is the speed. Also, it's not that I'm unhappy with the E-P3 it's that I have 2 other m43 bodies and am not finding the E-P3 to be that much better.
     
  19. songs2001

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    I would avoid the refurbished fuji X10s, they still
    haven't figure out the blob problem yet and you only get a limited warranty on them.
     
  20. Ned

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    How about trading the X10 for the E-P3 body only, then selling the VF-2 separately as pocket change or trading it for something else? I can understand your reasoning now for choosing the E-P3 and also for not choosing the X-100 in return... however, the trade just sounds too unbalanced to me, lol. The VF-2 is a long-term investment item, even if you personally no longer have a body to use it with. I don't think it should be given away as a freebie. It'll make somebody very happy, and they'll be willing to pay the expense for it. I wouldn't mind picking up a second one myself (right now, I have to swap mine between my two Mini kits depending on which bag I pull out with me).
     

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