Any Guess about Canon's EVIL? - Page 2

okinana · #11 November 4th, 2011, 08:21 PM

Your guess is as good as everybody else. What difference does it make? As long as you're happy with what you currently have. Why bother talk about the others? What will you get out of it?

Just my 2c.

Jonathan F/2 · #12 November 4th, 2011, 08:22 PM

I'm a Nikon guy, a Canon mirrorless doesn't mean much to me. I'm fine with my Olympus Pens!

Rudi · #13 November 4th, 2011, 08:24 PM

I love my Canon DSLR system. And I love my Olympus Pen. I love my Powershot S95 too, and loved my old Panasonic LX3 when I had it. Before that, I loved my Fuji F30.

And I loved many others before that! I guess I'm just a whore that way...

demiro · #14 November 4th, 2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryAyala

Canon is the #1 dSLR seller in the world ... if a Canon user could pick up a compact that would accept their existing system ... nearly every Canon user in the world would probably buy into such a Canon compact system.

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A lot of people say this, but I just don't get it. I can't imagine many people being happy with EF or EF-S glass on a

-type body. Especially the heavier and bigger L glass. It would make the 100-300 on a GF3 seem perfectly fine and balanced.

If Canon does something more I would like to see it with the G series. It was once the de facto high end P&S, but has been equalled or passed by more than a few offerings and really lost it's edge. I'd love to see an improved body (a la the x10/100) and OVF with an interchangeable lens system developed for that body. Move it from a P&S to an ILC. Let the S100 be the top P&S.

Hikari · #15 November 4th, 2011, 08:46 PM

The idea that if one camera company makes a one type of camera, then the other must follow is not supported by history. Pentax, Minolta, and Konica all made medium-format cameras, Canon, Olympus, and Nikon did not. Pentax and Nikon made telescopes, Olympus and Nikon make microscopes. Olympus ignored their 35mm cameras and developed a new digital system around the 4/3 sensor, Canon, Nikon, Pentax, and Minolta just converted their film standard. Olympus and Konica has half-frame cameras. Kodak and Minolta had disk cameras. Only Sony, Nikon, and Canon use 35mm-size sensors. Pentax has a medium-format digital camera.

But EVIL cameras are really just compact cameras and are not really a new type of camera at all. We have always had compacts, we always will. The electronic viewfinder pre-dates these cameras as well. So whether Canon throws their hat in the ring or not really does not matter.

Ned · #16 November 4th, 2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikari

But EVIL cameras are really just compact cameras and are not really a new type of camera at all. We have always had compacts, we always will. The electronic viewfinder pre-dates these cameras as well.

Well... we had fixed-lens compacts, and we had system cameras. We didn't have the two together, in a digital format... That's what's new.

Hikari · #17 November 4th, 2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ned

Well... we had fixed-lens compacts, and we had system cameras. We didn't have the two together, in a digital format... That's what's new.

Leica M8...

John M Flores · #18 November 4th, 2011, 09:01 PM

The challenge for Canon (and Nikon as well) is that their entry-level dSLR business is probably a large part of their success, whether you're measuring unit sales or profits. Because of that, they are very protective of that business. And ultimately, any change from the current status quo is fraught with risks.

If they introduce a Canon EVIL using EF glass, there's no guarantee that they will sell as well as their Rebels; some may defect to Nikon or others brands if that happens.

If they introduce a Canon EVIL and it does well, it may be at smaller profit margins that ends up looking bad on their books.

So there's no way to know how a Canon EVIL will do with respect to their Rebel line. So if their introduce an EVIL, they'll position it in the marketplace in a way that doesn't threaten their entry-level business. That's what Nikon did. We'll see how that works out for them.

In the meantime, mirrorless continues to evolve, and this may in fact be the first holiday season where entry-level mirrorless can stand toe-to-toe with entry-level dSLRs in terms of price and performance. I'm thinking of the Panasonic G3 and the entry-level Sonys in particular. I don't know enough about Olympus - what current cameras are price competitive with an entry-level Rebel?

Ned · #19 November 4th, 2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikari

Leica M8...

Yes, that would be the closest... Rangefinders are a different type of camera, but I guess these are like a compact, auto-focus rangefinder?

demiro · #20 November 4th, 2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by John M Flores

The challenge for Canon (and Nikon as well) is that their entry-level dSLR business is probably a large part of their success, whether you're measuring unit sales or profits. Because of that, they are very protective of that business. And ultimately, any change from the current status quo is fraught with risks.

If they introduce a Canon EVIL using EF glass, there's no guarantee that they will sell as well as their Rebels; some may defect to Nikon or others brands if that happens.

If they introduce a Canon EVIL and it does well, it may be at smaller profit margins that ends up looking bad on their books.

So there's no way to know how a Canon EVIL will do with respect to their Rebel line. So if their introduce an EVIL, they'll position it in the marketplace in a way that doesn't threaten their entry-level business. That's what Nikon did. We'll see how that works out for them.

In the meantime, mirrorless continues to evolve, and this may in fact be the first holiday season where entry-level mirrorless can stand toe-to-toe with entry-level dSLRs in terms of price and performance. I'm thinking of the Panasonic G3 and the entry-level Sonys in particular. I don't know enough about Olympus - what current cameras are price competitive with an entry-level Rebel?

At the end of the day Canon would much rather cannibalize there own entry level DSLRs with an EVIL offering than see someone else take those sales. It doesn't seem like Panny or Oly's

offerings ever scared Canon much though. I think Nikon jumping in to that segment might be the game changer that gets Canon off the bench. I hope so anyway. Not that I love Canon or think they will make an amazing camera. I just think that more competition is better for all of us.

You are right on with the G3 I think. If that camera is marketed properly it will be a huge hit with the soccer mom set. G3 + 14-42X for $800 would be a winner. The issue is that Panny is almost invisible in most US retail outlets that I frequent. People seek out and buy Canon and Nikon cameras because of brand strength. Sony seems willing to push their cameras. Panny seems happy to exist as they always have.