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Old July 7th, 2010, 04:30 AM
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I hope they are actually micro-size.. rather than simply changing the mount.
Agreed.

My understanding is that the four-thirds lenses aren't dramatically smaller than the full-size lenses for two reasons:
1) (self-inflicted) The fact that the four-thirds standard called for parallel light rays hitting the sensor, to improve digital image capture, and
2) (simple geometry) The flange depth is as important to the overall lens size (amount of glass, distance from camera, etc) as the size of the sensor.

With the micro four-thirds format, the second issue is basically resolved by creating a new flange depth that is proportionate to the smaller sensor size. That's why our new lenses can have much less glass, and be much lighter than the equivalent full frame lenses.

The original Leica D lenses were hampered by having to fit the deeper four-thirds bodies. One strategy would be simply to make them longer, effectively adding in the adapter to the length of the lens. What I hope they do, instead, is to scale down the entire lens design to match the new sensor/flange depth geometry, which would result in a really small lens, even if it has a very large maximum aperture.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 04:49 AM
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I've sold both and replaced them with sponges and a well-placed zipper for that periodic maintenance :D

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Agreed.

My understanding is that the four-thirds lenses aren't dramatically smaller than the full-size lenses for two reasons:
1) (self-inflicted) The fact that the four-thirds standard called for parallel light rays hitting the sensor, to improve digital image capture, and
2) (simple geometry) The flange depth is as important to the overall lens size (amount of glass, distance from camera, etc) as the size of the sensor.

With the micro four-thirds format, the second issue is basically resolved by creating a new flange depth that is proportionate to the smaller sensor size. That's why our new lenses can have much less glass, and be much lighter than the equivalent full frame lenses.

The original Leica D lenses were hampered by having to fit the deeper four-thirds bodies. One strategy would be simply to make them longer, effectively adding in the adapter to the length of the lens. What I hope they do, instead, is to scale down the entire lens design to match the new sensor/flange depth geometry, which would result in a really small lens, even if it has a very large maximum aperture.
I would expect the 25/1.4 will be smaller it probably will have focus by wire and OIS but not for certain it may be ommited in the interests of compactness and lower cost.

If this is a joint effort with Leica and its a summilux lens configuration then center sharpness at f1.4 could be amazing.

Looking forward to this lens for me its high on my list.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 06:32 AM
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The full-sized four thirds version just dropped by 20% on Amazon:
Amazon.com: Panasonic 25mm f/1.4 Four Thirds Lens for Panasonic Digital SLR Cameras: Camera & Photo

hmmm... maybe they know something?
I get my lenses from here

the PL 25/1.4 is US $980 currently check back here they may drop the price more 980 is ongoing Amazon had it high anyways

Damn great lens full manual and very well built

Panasonic LEICA D SUMMILUX 25mm F1.4 ASPH
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I've sold both and replaced them with sponges and a well-placed zipper for that periodic maintenance :D
Thanks Brian but above is a more sound advice. Now nothing can stop me
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From 43rumors.com....

"We are almost certain that Panasonic is working on very fast new primes (faster than f/1.4). The first prime is expected to be on market by end 2010 early 2011"
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Olympus and Panasonic rumors Blog Archive (FT4) Panasonic will make a new 25mm MicroFourThirds lens…f/1.4 or faster!!!

As you may have already read... not trying to feed a rumour mill but, could it be a new combo for a new camera (GF2??). Personally I would like a wide angle prime instead though.
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Olympus and Panasonic rumors Blog Archive (FT4) Panasonic will make a new 25mm MicroFourThirds lens…f/1.4 or faster!!!

As you may have already read... not trying to feed a rumour mill but, could it be a new combo for a new camera (GF2??). Personally I would like a wide angle prime instead though.
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I'd like a 12mm f/2 as 2nd prime, (to complement the 17mm), not a zoom that covers it. But, I'd could afford a 12mm f/2.8 or f/3.5 most likely.

I would rather have all primes for my G1 also.

I like wides better for smaller cameras. and save the larger FL for the DSLR.
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I'd like a 12mm f/2 as 2nd prime, (to complement the 17mm), not a zoom that covers it. But, I'd could afford a 12mm f/2.8 or f/3.5 most likely.

I would rather have all primes for my G1 also.

I like wides better for smaller cameras. and save the larger FL for the DSLR.
Yes please! A wide angle (14mm or wider) prime f2.8 or faster and a pancake 45mm (non-macro) are at the top of my wish list...

My ideal kit would be two GF1s a 10mm f2.8, 20mm f1.7 and a 45mm f2.8 (non-macro pancake). Not holding my breath...
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I'd settle for 12mm/2.8 and 17mm/2.

I wish for a Summilux-like 17/1.4 but I know I won't get it, nor can I afford it.

I think it's tragic with so many of us wanting prime lenses, Olympus keep coming up with s..l..o..w.. z..o..o..m..s.

Panasonic, you're our only hope now.
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i will definitely buy a fixed 1.4 that autofocuses on my GF1 and is reasonably small. The speed difference between the pancake 1.7 and the nikon 50 1.4 (i put on with a converter) is useful to me, even though you might not think it would matter. I'm doing hand-held shootingt with indoor lighting at board games parties, etc. But the lack of autofocus is rough with a fast lens, so I need a real mft design.
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