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Old September 6th, 2012, 08:44 PM
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I'd go with the Fuji because of the sensor. It really is that good!

I'm also not sure why RAW decoding would be "finicky". I only shoot RAW, and shooting with my Fuji and then converting the RAWs is no more finicky than with any other camera that shoots RAW. In fact, it's not finicky at all - Lightroom takes are of everything, including keeping my archive organized.
I haven't done XP1 RAW myself, but I've read on DPR and a lot of other places about color smearing and other issues with the funky sensor that LR doesn't seem to handle too well (e.g. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...0&changemode=1). Is this not your experience?
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Overall, it's not like when I had an EPM1 and I needed to move to the OMD for controls and sensor. The OMD EM5 is a very capable camera, and I can sit on it for some time, and wait for Fuji prices to drop, or for the FF options in smaller bodies to come available.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 08:49 PM
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Another thought -- the OMD came along just in time. If it wasn't out until Photokina, I think Oly would have been in trouble getting people to use it (if the EX1, NEX6 and RX100 were out against just the old Pens)
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OM-D E-M5. No contest for me.

- size
- ease and speed of operation (AF, IBIS, etc)
- lens choices / opportunities

Ya, the OM-D has its quirky issues, but for the most part it is a dream machine for me.
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I'm guessing that, for me, most of the appeal for the XE1 is sex appeal, more than what I need (of course, that's why I got an EP1 more than 3 years ago). Would love to hear other's thoughts.


The E-M5 has everything that I want from a compact system camera (well, almost), except for more reliable tracking AF. Besides, in addition to all the nice prime lenses, I already own a 4/3 14-54 MkII f/2.8-3.5 which works fairly well with my E-M5, so most of the appeal of the XE1 for me is also in its super cool, retro design at this stage.
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the Fuji lenses are a dream. The sensor is amazing (except for RAW lovers...but when the JPEGS are so good, why bother).

The Oly sensor is darn good. Not best in class, but knocking on the door...and more than good enough. The lens selection is great......some good, some mediocre and some truly great.

It will come down to handling. Much has been made of Fuji's being slow to focus or that they can't AF. I think that either people parroting what they hear on the internet, or people using with default firmware or more likely people who don't take the time to fully understand how the camera works.

Having said that, the Fuji is not a "well balanced" camera that does everything well. It richly rewards the relaxed photographer. There are ZERO tele options....and ZERO stabilization options. For people who shoot wide to normal and nothing else and never shoot action and never need weather sealing, I could possibly recommend the Fuji.

The pure IQ is addictive. I shoot stuff just to see what it looks like. But eventually, it becomes about the shots. Experienced shooters and people willing to put in the time to fully understand the ENTIRE system (camera, sensor, and lenses) will be more richly rewarded by the Fujis.

But those same people will be equally rewarded by learning how best to use the Oly and the MASSIVE array of associated gear. All camera systems in this modern era are more than good enough. Ergonomy and total system support are much more important than test patterns.

And as a side note, if I hear one more person complain about he AF of the Fujis, I'll invite you over to shoot mine. THEY ARE NOT SLOW. A touch slower than the E-P3 and E-M5, but WAY faster than the E-P1 and gf1 and G1 that I have compared them to.

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I could see picking up a Fuji X something down the road. I like the idea of having one larger sensor camera with a small prime, say a 50mm equiv. I am not buying until they figure out the raw conversion, though. Maybe I will be holding out long enough for something like a Sony NEX FF to appear.

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The non-standard colour matrix of the X-Pro1 (different to that in the X100) still apparently causes problems for third-party raw convertors.
And it even causes problems with the Fuji JPEGs and provided RAW converter, though from what I understand, to a lesser extent. For people/street, maybe it would never crop up, but for a landscape/scenic shooter, it sounds like you will run into the color smearing, even in JPEGs.
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It richly rewards the relaxed photographer.
Ah, that would not be me, then. Relaxed I am not!

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And as a side note, if I hear one more person complain about he AF of the Fujis, I'll invite you over to shoot mine. THEY ARE NOT SLOW. Do everyone a favor and don't mention issues if you haven't experienced them first hand.
I have not shot a Fuji, but I've watched the videos. The AF lock in the FW before 2.0 seems to freeze the image for a second. Is that not the case? That would drive me crazy, and a big reason I never even tried the XPro 1. But the video I posted earlier of the FW2 seems to have solved that.
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And as a side note, if I hear one more person complain about he AF of the Fujis, I'll invite you over to shoot mine. THEY ARE NOT SLOW. A touch slower than the E-P3 and E-M5, but WAY faster than the E-P1 and gf1 and G1 that I have compared them to.

Do everyone a favor and don't mention issues if you haven't experienced them first hand.
How does the Fuji compare to the E-P1/E-P2(if you've had a chance to use them)?

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Oops, sorry I reread your post where I notice you mention it being faster.
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The E-M5 has everything that I want from a compact system camera (well, almost), except for more reliable tracking AF. Besides, in addition to all the nice prime lenses, I already own a 4/3 14-54 MkII f/2.8-3.5 which works fairly well with my E-M5, so most of the appeal of the XE1 for me is also in its super cool, retro design at this stage.
They should rename this as FUJI SXE1 then ..
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