Second thoughts on M43 - Page 3

GaryAyala · #21 June 25th, 2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MexicoMik

The OLY menus per se may be no worse than the Nikon menus but with a Nikon DSLR, I never needed to access any menus - the setting that I normally would want to change on a routine basis are there as buttons for immediate selection. I never needed to access the menus at all while shooting.

I just shot an event, Relay for Life, with the OM-D. I am new to Olympus and low on the learning curve for Olympus menus and settings. I shot the event from day to night without having to dive into the menu mess/system. Maybe you have the wrong µ4/3 camera for how you shoot.

I just bought an E-P3 for my girlfriend and I found it much slower to use than my FF Canons or OM-D's.

Gary

Hikari · #22 June 25th, 2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MexicoMik

As others have noted, I guess I'll eventually get comfortable with the way the EP3 works but it sure seems to be taking a whole lot longer than it should for such a simple thing as a camera... :)

And that might be your answer. You as the photographer will need to compensate for the inadequacy of your gear. Photographers have been doing that since the beginning of photography. There as a whole bunch of techniques you can use to shoot sports and action without the use of modern technology. I was told you could not shoot street/documentary photography with medium-format panoramic cameras. Well, guess what, you can. You just need to learn how.

And this is photography's little secret. If you expect the camera to do it for you, you are at the mercy of the technology and just a button pusher. If you take responsibility for your photography, you will become a better and more creative photographer because you will have to find solutions for the limits of your gear. You will also find out that you can't blame your tools. There is no such thing a sports camera or portrait lens--the machine does not make the image, you do.

Now, if you want the machine to do it for you, then you will need to buy the right machine.

GaryAyala · #23 June 25th, 2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikari

And that might be your answer. You as the photographer will need to compensate for the inadequacy of your gear. Photographers have been doing that since the beginning of photography. There as a whole bunch of techniques you can use to shoot sports and action without the use of modern technology. I was told you could not shoot street/documentary photography with medium-format panoramic cameras. Well, guess what, you can. You just need to learn how.

And this is photography's little secret. If you expect the camera to do it for you, you are at the mercy of the technology and just a button pusher. If you take responsibility for your photography, you will become a better and more creative photographer because you will have to find solutions for the limits of your gear. You will also find out that you can't blame your tools. There is no such thing a sports camera or portrait lens--the machine does not make the image, you do.

Now, if you want the machine to do it for you, then you will need to buy the right machine.

While everything you stated is all true, the 'right' machine can make it much easier to capture the image one desires. The 'right' machine may increase one's "keepers" ratio.

For some, the easier the machine makes the exceptional image capture, the more time one has for creativity. (That doesn't apply to moi, I just heard that somewhere.)

Gary

Yohan Pamudji · #24 June 25th, 2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikari

If you are invested in photography, the camera type makes a difference. No camera is perfect, but will influence the way you work and the outcome. It has nothing to do with what you are familiar with, although with a new camera I do need a breaking in period with which to figure it out. I have used more camera types than you can shake a stick at. Not one is good for everything.

The biggest problem I have found it how do you get a camera system that is easy to transport as well as easy to use. Those are not the same things. m4/3 is great to carry around, but I do not find it optimal for shooting. So my answer is I have two systems. The m4/3 is a compact system that supplements my primary system. That is my answer, others have found a different solution.

m4/3's dilemma is that it needs more buttons (well, some of us want more buttons on m4/3 cameras), but in order to do that the cameras need more surface area, i.e. bigger cameras which goes against m4/3's biggest selling point. I hope we'll see a slightly bigger m4/3 camera in due time once m4/3 gets a real foothold in the market, but it might be a while. Then again it might be as soon as next year ("pro" Olympus m4/3) if the rumors are correct. We'll see.

Hikari · #25 June 25th, 2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryAyala

While everything you stated is all true, the 'right' machine can make it much easier to capture the image one desires. The 'right' machine may increase one's "keepers" ratio.

For some, the easier the machine makes the exceptional image capture, the more time one has for creativity. (That doesn't apply to moi, I just heard that somewhere.)

Gary

Sure, but why is the "right" machine always the next model to be released?

crsnydertx · #26 June 25th, 2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Yohan Pamudji

m4/3's dilemma is that it needs more buttons (well, some of us want more buttons on m4/3 cameras), but in order to do that the cameras need more surface area, i.e. bigger cameras which goes against m4/3's biggest selling point. I hope we'll see a slightly bigger m4/3 camera in due time once m4/3 gets a real foothold in the market, but it might be a while. Then again it might be as soon as next year ("pro" Olympus m4/3) if the rumors are correct. We'll see.

Is GH2 bigger than E-M5? I think it may be.

GaryAyala · #27 June 25th, 2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikari

Sure, but why is the "right" machine always the next model to be released?

LOL ... The 'Right' machine is the one in your hands ... the 'Righter' machine is the one in R&D with secret ingredients that makes the image jump into your camera.

fredlong · #28 June 25th, 2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crsnydertx

Is GH2 bigger than E-M5? I think it may be.

Not by much.
Compare camera dimensions side by side

jnewell · #29 June 25th, 2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Yohan Pamudji

m4/3's dilemma is that it needs more buttons (well, some of us want more buttons on m4/3 cameras), but in order to do that the cameras need more surface area, i.e. bigger cameras which goes against m4/3's biggest selling point. I hope we'll see a slightly bigger m4/3 camera in due time once m4/3 gets a real foothold in the market, but it might be a while. Then again it might be as soon as next year ("pro" Olympus m4/3) if the rumors are correct. We'll see.

But a slightly bigger m43 camera body is going to get close enough to some APS-C DSLRs that the advantages that make it attractive in the first place are either mitigated or eliminated...

dhazeghi · #30 June 25th, 2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jnewell

But a slightly bigger m43 camera body is going to get close enough to some APS-C DSLRs that the advantages that make it attractive in the first place are either mitigated or eliminated...

Depends on the lenses. Especially at wide-angle, that's where the real size savings are.

But I don't think they need a bigger body, just better placement of buttons and and better choices for what those buttons control.

DH