Originally Posted by littleMT

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by flat and a lack of a 3d look..

These are shot with my E-PL1, using both the 45mm prime and a 20mm prime, I don't see them as flat, and I believe they have a certian 3d pop to them, that same day, my Sony A65 was also used and just couldn't replicate these results.

Originally Posted by wetterberg

I'm sorry, but this is very close to the arguments you hear from audiophiles lacking "dimensionality".

Pictures *are* flat. All of them. So we need better terminology in play here before we can say whether or not we think you're wrong, fg.

Typically, yes, what we perceive as a kind of spatial isolation is the decreased DOF with a large aperture lens. (as an aside, I personally think that's why bokeh can be so spine tingling - it lends a sense of space)

Originally Posted by fransglans

I have the 25 1.4. And I love how the subjects in pictures look in short distances ( 1-4meters) but the things in background, like people, houses, trees and so on seems to look very flat to me. And this shows off with small apartures.
Sorry for my crappy english :) ( swede)

Originally Posted by littleMT

Originally Posted by fransglans

Copy paste:)

First! I dont talk about subject isolation, i rather talk about some ordinary shots on for example landscape with 5,6-11 aparture

Originally Posted by fransglans

Again. Your pics are nice. But we misses eachother. When I watch these pics on iphone I cannot see this lack of Dynamic range, its only when I crop a small part of things in background and make a picture of it. With my 50d with 15mpix and bigger sensor I couldnt see a big iq loss when i cropped a picture, but with the ep3, I mist be more careful.
Hard to describe. And now its late in sweden, so I come back later, maybe with pics...