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Old January 11th, 2013, 05:44 AM
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If Auto ISO is enabled for M mode, it then becomes an auto exposure mode since the camera will now adjust the ISO for what it thinks is the right exposure. Personally, if I'm going into manual mode, it's because I want complete control of all the settings.
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If Auto ISO is enabled for M mode, it then optionally becomes an auto exposure mode....
Fixed. Just because it is enabled in menu settings doesn't mean you have to use auto ISO. If you select a specific ISO setting yourself, it's fully manual, as you would expect. But if you enable auto ISO in settings, you have the option to let the camera do automatic exposure.

In fact, I was going to suggest this solution to the OP, because it is a great way to get around unexpected/quirky metering:
- enable auto ISO in P/A/S/M
- shoot in M with Auto ISO
- adjust aperture as needed
- adjust ss down (watching auto ISO value change automatically) until you are comfortable with the balance between all three values

I think the camera's "bias" for raising ISO before lowering shutter speed is smart since IBIS doesn't help freeze subject motion. I have to think that Oly expects that OMD users are likely to be shooting people candids in these lighting situations (where higher shutter speeds are important) more often than still life or static scenes and that they programmed the EM5 appropriately.

To those having "problems": shoot in M as described above or choose your own bloody ISO value in A if you don't like the camera-selected settings. Your OMDs aren't broken. They just have a different bias than you. And a different bias than the OP's GF1.
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I think the camera's "bias"
It's not a camera bias it's a user controlled configuration setting for Auto ISO and low flash shutter speed. The problem is that the Olympus documentation does not point out that menu setting F, Slow Limit effects the low flash shutter speed and the low shutter speed limit when Auto ISO is active. The two things are different and it should be possible to set them independently.
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If I recall correctly, using aperture priority settings and auto-ISO, my OMD uses as high of ISO necessary to generate shutter speeds of 1/focal length x 2.
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If I recall correctly, using aperture priority settings and auto-ISO, my OMD uses as high of ISO necessary to generate shutter speeds of 1/focal length x 2.
I strongly suggest that you verify that empirically, because when I just did that using 2 prime lenses (14 & 20mm) both set to f2.8, the shutter speed didn't change. If you do this with the a variable aperture zoom lens, then yes, the shutter speed may change due to the change in aperture.
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I strongly suggest that you verify that empirically, because when I just did that using 2 prime lenses (14 & 20mm) both set to f2.8, the shutter speed didn't change. If you do this with the a variable aperture zoom lens, then yes, the shutter speed may change due to the change in aperture.
I'll check when I get home and report back.
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If Auto ISO is enabled for M mode, it then becomes an auto exposure mode since the camera will now adjust the ISO for what it thinks is the right exposure. Personally, if I'm going into manual mode, it's because I want complete control of all the settings.
I see your point but it doesn't have to be all or nothing, we all have different needs in terms of controllability and the selection of shutter speed AND aperture will suit most of us - especially as the high ISO/low noise characteristics of the E-M5 sensor makes Auto ISO a real world option.

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Thanks everyone for your valuable input, I now have a better understanding and know that there isn't a problem with the camera.

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