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June 20th, 2012, 09:15 AM
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Can I relate it to the noise/feel of a Nikon VR lens adjusting? More or less than that?
I can't get used to the idea of a camera no longer being a passive device I control. What causes it? The in-body VR? If so, I'd expect the E-P4/5 to do the same thing. I love my PENs, enjoy them more than any cameras I've had in 30+ years. If this is just the "way" now, I'll get used to it I suppose, and that IQ in the OM-D/5D2 thread is VERY impressive!
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The Panasonic OIS lenses also hum constantly, just not as distinctly as the IBIS unit in the E-M5. The sound probably is similar to a Nikon VR unit, the difference being that the Nikon (and Canon) lenses can "park" their stabilised elements and not need to keep the VR/IS unit powered to hold them in place.
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June 20th, 2012, 09:19 AM
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Active and passive in terms of physical movement/noise, I thought that was obvious when taken in context, sorry.
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I guess my point, though, was that we already accept a lot of automated, outside of our control activity with our digital cameras. Many seem to apply NR even in raw, for example, and you seem to accept the (very minimal) vibration and noise that goes with optical image stabilization. Where do we draw the line?
If the means used to hold the sensor in place doesn't affect the IQ, I guess I'm not terribly concerned with whether it's glue, screws, or electromagnets.
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June 20th, 2012, 09:35 AM
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I'm just trying to get a feel for what it is like. The nearest camera store is well over an hour away. People I respect now have the camera and I'm just asking what it is like now to have lived with the "purr". That's all. Really, don't make this more than it needs to be, I understand what "P" means, even "iAUTO", I just wanted some real world experience (by owners of the camera only) on the feel of the camera in terms of the vibration no one expected until it shipped.
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June 20th, 2012, 09:55 AM
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...I just wanted some real world experience (by owners of the camera only) on the feel of the camera in terms of the vibration no one expected until it shipped.
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I don't feel any vibration when using my E-M5. There is a sound, but I can't feel anything.
Edit: Actually, I just tried the camera again, and I can feel something. I never consciously realized it, but it's there. Yes, it reminds me of how Canon IS and Nikon VR feel/sound. I actually like that feeling - I associate it with reassurance that the photo won't handshake blur  .
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June 20th, 2012, 09:56 AM
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It's a complete non-issue. I can't believe it ever became one ... I do hear it once in a great while, but unless you are looking for issues or noise or other problems, it isn't noticeable.
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June 20th, 2012, 10:01 AM
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I can hear the hum when my room is absolutely quiet, but it is a complete non-issue when I put the camera in use... There is no vibration, or if there is, I cannot feel it at all...
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June 20th, 2012, 10:06 AM
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So this is what I've learned... it is a ONLY noise, not a vibration. If I took the camera out of my bag and started shooting in any place but a library, I'd never know it was there. But if someone said, "Hey, did you know that camera hums?" and I put it to my ear, I'd hear it.
Probably LESS annoying than the VR in a Nikon lens because it is consistent. It occurs consistently whenever the camera is on and not asleep, right?
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June 20th, 2012, 10:11 AM
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I revised my comment above - there is a subtle vibration.
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June 20th, 2012, 10:14 AM
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Probably LESS annoying than the VR in a Nikon lens because it is consistent. It occurs consistently whenever the camera is on and not asleep, right?
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The IBIS shuts down as soon as the camera goes into sleep mode, but anytime that the camera is on the IBIS unit becomes powered, even if you are just looking through the menus or reviewing images.
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June 20th, 2012, 10:40 AM
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The nearest equivalent noise I can relate it to is the sound of the hard drive on my Macbook.
The Sensor on the OMD is not rigidly mounted, it is actually suspended, leviated in a magnetic field. I suspect the field oscillates, inducing some noise in the magnets doing the levitating.
You can actually turn the noise off by turning the mode dial to video, which seems to engage a different levitation protocol that is nearly dead silent.
When you turn the camera off, or when it goes to sleep, it makes a quite loud ker-clunk as the IBIS shuts down and parks the sensor.
I can hear my IBIS 'whirring' even outside with ambient noise, but then my hearing is pretty good. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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