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Old September 19th, 2012, 09:02 AM
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After reading all the comments on the 12-35, the 35-100, and the upcoming Schneider lenses, I'm left wondering why people get so upset and sometime even belligerent when they see the price?

I realize many can't afford high-end lenses (myself included), but it's not something that offends me in any way. It's confusing how someone could judge something before it's even released, let alone something they've haven't even handled/tested themselves.

So why the hostility?
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After reading all the comments on the 12-35, the 35-100, and the upcoming Schneider lenses, I'm left wondering why people get so upset and sometime even belligerent when they see the price?

I realize many can't afford high-end lenses (myself included), but it's not something that offends me in any way. It's confusing how someone could judge something before it's even released, let alone something they've haven't even handled/tested themselves.

So why the hostility?
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But jokes apart - 12-35 mm is overpriced .It should be around USD799 mark .
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Overpriced is understandable...if the lens doesn't meet the expectations of the price, I totally understand. But if it's not even released yet...how do we know??
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But jokes apart - 12-35 mm is overpriced .It should be around USD799 mark .
This sort of remark seems to prove the OP's point, to a degree. On what basis have you determined that the P12-35 is overpriced? Seems to me that Panasonic (and the market) have set the price at a point where they feel they'll maximize their profits -- it's just Econ 101.

Every consumer needs to make their own individual decision if the "value" to them of a particular lens (or body, or anything) equals or exceeds the price at which it is offered. If so, they make the purchase, if not, they don't. For example, I'd love to own a Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, but I don't happen to have an extra quarter million dollars or so sitting around to make that a reality; that doesn't make the Ferrari "overpriced" but rather just not a "value" to me.

If the price on any particular product is set to a point where the producer cannot sell as many as they need to, the price will be adjusted. Any further discussion that any item is "overpriced" is all just pointless whining.
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Because my wife will give me that look when I buy it and she hears the price
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Because my wife will give me that look when I buy it and she hears the price
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Because my wife will give me that look when I buy it and she hears the price
Probably the most accurate response I will receive.
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You actually tell her how much this stuff is costing!!!!

Schoolboy error my friend.

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Bhupinder probably hit it mostly right, humor aside - grapes are sour

I think mainly it comes down to many people can't (or won't) buy expensive lenses, where "expensive" is user-defined, and naturally it's frustrating to see expensive lenses rolling out which means R&D time used that could have been applied to the next "affordable" lens.

There's multiple factions here, from what I can see here on the forum:

1) People who think m4/3 is supposed to be "affordable" i.e. cheaper than other systems, so they feel expensive lenses are eliminating the format's benefits. (This counts the same for people that think any increase in body size is the death of m4/3).

2) Those who want more lens options they can afford, so they'd like to see more $150-300 lenses. It's no fun if the format is bristling with lenses but they're all out of your price range.

3) Those who feel that a lens should cost whatever amount they decide and anything more than that is overcharging for it (see DeeJayK's comment above).


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Granted, I can afford some expensive lenses - but then that's because a) I'm willing to pay for them and b) I make other sacrifices for that to happen. I may sell other things to fund a purchase, or work extra hours for example. It's all in what's prioritized & worthwhile to you.
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^ good points.

I wonder why it is that some assume m43 should be cheaper? Smaller doesn't always = less expensive, especially when things contain electronic components. I realize smaller materials often mean smaller cost, but development that goes into making things smaller can often be far more expensive (making assumptions).

I totally agree that having HE lenses in the m43 system is important because of the investment and longevity of the format.

...I don't see anyone bursting into flames when Schneider releases 5-figure lenses for other formats, so why the hate on m43?
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